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of california can you tell us what

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happened great time out here

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I spoke Sunday in San Jose for the San

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Jose chapters we'll move on it went

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really good I went a little over my time

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but I got some really good feedback I

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did move on LA and then move on Orange

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County and much to my surprise I had a

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three-time sole pilot in the audience

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who I guess had been told about my talk

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and was convinced by my mutual friend to

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come in and listen to my presentation

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and well I was quite I was quiet honored

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for him due to uh congratulate me at the

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end of the talk and play he will

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appreciated my objectivity and my

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presentation so it's really gone smooth

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made some new friends and you know

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became reacquainted with some old

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friends that's my third or fourth trip

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out here over the years and wasn't

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really good I was talking about the

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connection between UFOs abductions crop

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circles religious miracles calculations

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and whether there's a real true you know

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relatedness between these phenomena and

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and then talked about the need for our

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data monitoring of hot spot areas kind

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of defined what a portal area or hot

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spot area is and talked about this end

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we saw a camera project and and

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generally cracked a bunch of jokes and

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you know kept everybody amused and I

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started out my

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by saying my job is to piss off at least

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25% of you and we'll have a show hand at

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the end if I've succeeded well that's

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what we do on the power cast by the way

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our job do at least 25% in some cases we

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do 50 or 60% back in the old days I

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think I may have been a little higher

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gene actually was 98.7 percent it's kind

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of like you know those those detergents

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that were 97 or 98 point 7 percent clean

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well we were 98.7 percent the pisser

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offer or something like that you know

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seriously speaking about MUFON you know

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they've had a change at the top you've

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heard about that right ok well of course

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clifford cliff has been the

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international director for a couple of

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years he was a guest on the podcast we

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enjoyed having him he's a gentleman I

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mean we don't always agree with MUFON

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and their stuff but we have a lot of

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dedicated people there who are really

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concerned about figuring out UFOs well

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according to this press release we got

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from MUFON that cliff is resigning as a

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February 1 2012 due to personal

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commitments and family health issues and

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I hope everything is right for him at

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home and things would get better but

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he's stepping down and he's gonna be

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replaced by someone named David

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MacDonald who's currently a member of

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the MUFON board of directors yeah and

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we're going to invite David to join us

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let's get a take on his attitude you

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understand of course as we've mentioned

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on the power cast in recent weeks MUFON

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has reported I guess a record number of

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UFO sightings for all of 2011 and a

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really huge start for 2012 this is going

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to be some kind of year for UFO cases if

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that trend continues yeah and I don't

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think it's gonna necessarily lead to

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disclosure that's another prediction

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I'll make I like to make predictions

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because they're always wrong I can

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guarantee you that any prediction I make

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on the show or on the other show the

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tech night our live stands a 98.7

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percent chance or even a 99.9% chance to

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get 9 9 9 in there

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of being wrong this way I don't have to

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worry about it

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hey I'm wrong it doesn't matter I tend

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to think that way after all these years

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you still cannot predict UFO cycles that

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cases sightings will increase and

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decrease sometimes I think it's the

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publicity aspect you know when you read

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a sighting in the newspapers here your

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TV talking heads with a report about

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UFOs guess what happens you go outside

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and you look and so after a while people

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get bored they stop looking and so the

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number of cases decreases so it's really

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hard to know whether these so-called

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flaps or influxes or flurries of UFO

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sightings are publicity flaps or the

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real thing what's your take Chris well I

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have noticed some interesting

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correlations between waves of your flow

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sightings and when we come home from

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having expeditions overseas with our

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military I've noticed that after the

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Korean War after the Vietnam War

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obviously after World War 2 that

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two-year period following that you tend

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to see a increase in your foot sightings

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after the Gulf War the initial you know

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Desert Storm excursion overseas so if

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there is any patterning to this that

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would be the one pattern that I I would

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point to and I think more work needs to

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be done trying to get to the bottom of

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how these these sighting lives Evan flow

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t-time it's interesting to point that

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out because what happened 2011 we pulled

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out of Iraq we started once again to

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prepare to scale down our participation

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in the Afghanistan war so is there a

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connection well at that time where we

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could see you know a good two three year

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wave of heightened UFO activity this

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would be my prediction I don't normally

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use the p-word but if I were to predict

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a wave this would be the time for it

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here in the next couple of years of

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course if we survive the end of the

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Mayan calendar and the world ending I

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say that with on firmly planet in cheek

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of course you always have to put these

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terms and conditions on it Chris

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well as I said many times on the show

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here there are 17 Mayan calendars and

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none of them and but yeah I think you

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point out an interesting thing that we

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are scaling down our involvement in

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Afghanistan we've officially you know

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to two year period if my insight into

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patterning of UFO events and flops is

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correct and we should see a heightened

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increased in sighting reports we're

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going to have to just watch and I assure

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you as we hear about important cases

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will mention them we're going to be

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bringing on lots of people in the UFO

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field to discuss those things lots of

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guests being booked I'll let you know

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who they are as we get find schedules

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but today we've got the man himself the

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irrepressible Jim Mosely he's editor of

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saucer smear he's author of that

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fascinating book about the UFO culture

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or subculture called shockingly close to

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the truth and this is going to be an

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interesting episode in a lot of ways

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first of all we have an immense number

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of questions from you listeners from our

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questions but we'll do our best I'll be

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asking the questions because Chris is on

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remote site he doesn't have internet

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access he has just the cell phone and

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that's the best you can do you know this

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is not a state of the art place that

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you're in no unfortunately I am in a

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high tech video studio and they have

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very low bandwidth and only one landline

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that's being used by the receptionist's

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so I'm kind of stuck in the mud here a

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little bit and the receptionist said the

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power cast you're gonna go on that show

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oh no no way you can't use this phone no

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she didn't say that no I didn't even ask

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because right even though we're more

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important than that business you know we

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understand okay Jim Mosley had a couple

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of interesting articles in saucer smear

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that we're going to get to in detail

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that's going to result in yet another

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about something called the Roswell Dream

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Team we mentioned this on last week's

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together to look at the Roswell evidence

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and try to find new angles at the same

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time of course we have a new book from

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Kevin Randall and this book is one where

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he is basically talking about his

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history in the UFO field called

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reflections of a UFO investigator it's

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from our friends over it

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anomalous books just out and we'll be

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take but when you hear a Jim has to say

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over the next couple of three hours

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on real soon and that's gonna happen Jim

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Mosley's coming up the irrepressible Jim

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Mosely himself editor of saucer smear

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you're on with Jean and Chris you're in

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again these are hard times for investors

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if you're like me you just don't know

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where to put your money because there's

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a downside to every possible scenario

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now look every portfolio needs a hedge

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for inflation gold has been the classic

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I want to tell you want to be honest

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with you commodities fluctuate so you

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could lose money gold goes up and down

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but every stable portfolio usually has

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an inflation hedge and gold is well the

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gold standard Washington is not going to

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get us out of this recovery so you've

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got to protect yourself give it some

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that's the sound of your door being

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kicked in by an intruder with a single

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now protected by the door Sentinel at my

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Jim Mosley the editor of saucer smear

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which is one of the longest existing UFO

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publications dating back from what 1954

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when it was called Nexus is that right

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Jim yes I must modestly tell you I have

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written proof which I couldn't send you

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again a man in England that had a saucer

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magazine that might have been older than

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mine but he quit and so according to him

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which I printed our mine is the oldest

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in the world yes well just think about

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that anyone who says they've got the

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oldest publication or the oldest

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organization you say what about me I

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don't get that that's okay that's okay

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what about me which is of course you if

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they say they're the oldest you say well

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I'm the oldest how dare you say that now

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right okay

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okay I'm trying to compliment you Jim

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it's very hard to get well you're doing

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a very good job but accepted I'm not one

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of the oldest as I say but I I suppose

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I'm one of them but I am also the one so

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we've done an F on that now you were

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telling me in our private conversation

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which I'll reveal on the air now that

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you don't really read a lot of books

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from UFO authors you read some of them

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you certainly read the one you wrote

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shockingly the one that you allegedly

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offered great Barker's publishing

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company years ago well which one was

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that the right field sorry yes or the

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wrong field story depending on yeah well

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I don't remember if I read that one or

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not but you will be astounded to hear I

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do have one copy left of my own saucer

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book shockingly close to the truth

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I have never read it obviously I read it

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chapter by chapter and section by

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section at the time that he Carl clock

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and I were working on it together by

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phone and letter and so forth so in that

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sense I've read it but I have never sat

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down and read the finished product well

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you know something I never did that with

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my books I've written a lot of books on

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technology and them through very

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carefully during the editorial process

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and the writing process but once the

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book is out I never read them again well

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it's like these movie stars not that

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we're movie stars but some of them very

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odd wait a minute

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we're not stars well you're you're a

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radio slash TV question mark star but

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I'm just a humble whatever truth speaker

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but humble whatever I agree a lot of the

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movies people but not all of them are so

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I don't know ashamed or embarrassed or

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nervous about their performance in a

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movie that's already on the screen and

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might even if we see Awards and so forth

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they just won't look at it they don't

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want to see themselves now that's where

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your hormone that's very normal it is

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normal I think performers sometimes

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can't even watch themselves of course

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they're forced to you know if you're

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evaluating your performance you're

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trying to see what you're doing whether

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you could do better and of course you

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have a lot of actor director types like

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a Clint Eastwood or a George Clooney

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where they've got to see their own

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performance have to judge their own

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performance dispassionately in

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relationship to the entire project well

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yes there are people like that too and I

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can't mean the ones that feel

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differently but there are some that

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haven't had to do that and so they don't

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do it they never they won't go to the

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premiere and they won't look at later on

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TV or anything they have some hang-up

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and I have no idea what that is

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think of it this way though one thing

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they do do though was they certainly

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cash the cheque although they do indeed

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I cash all my checks from selfish men

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all three of them yeah well no that's

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quite a few but of course we can't

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divulge the details but they're small

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sums but when you add them all up there

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a slightly larger so

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you know it's interesting here we were

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talking about the mutual UFO network and

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I guess you heard because I told you

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that there's a new international

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director now right but the other issue

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which I guess is more important in the

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scheme of things is that MUFON is

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reporting a higher number of UFO cases

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for 2011 and the first part of 2012

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have you heard have you observed this in

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your experience but all I know offhand

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is that none of them are outstanding

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there if there are any they haven't been

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brought to my attention or a MUFON

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hasn't made a big deal out of them and

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at my stage if it's just very much like

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all of our cases and even if it's

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strange and interesting I mean I just

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don't really care anymore because it's

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the same old thing and the question is

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what is it not how many of them are

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there is it the next light in the sky is

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good as the last one less it offers some

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new kind of details and and and then the

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other thing is - and this is more

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important in the social field that

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mostly than most people realize there

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are all kinds of people pilots or

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anybody else who even now today at the

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whole saucer thing because of blah blah

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blah they haven't taken an interest al

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khair and nobody they knew has seen

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anything I retired colonel the other day

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who's a relative of mine asked Matthew

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actually but that's a long story and we

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always have to be careful about those

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half nephews yes well he's the grandson

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of my half-brother okay and he is a

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retired colonel but I am not anyway he

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didn't know he had dinner and I barely

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know him and he didn't even want to be

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polite and disgust off it at all he'd

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never seen what I never heard of anyone

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that did and so forth well there's been

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so many people like that in the past and

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then it's like religion they see

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something themselves even if it isn't a

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great case and their whole attitude

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changes

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because it's an ego thing well I saw and

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I trust myself of course they can be

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totally wrong but it changes their whole

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attitude I think that's very interesting

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yes I've seen several I've had a total

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of about 12 what I would call paranormal

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experiences and by that I include the

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UFOs which you can hug you about but

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anyway you put UFOs and other weird

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events roughly a dozen and I believe all

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of them of course I could be wrong I can

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remember wrong or I could have been

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deceived or this or that but I tend to

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believe all of them because they happen

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to me and I was talking to somebody

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about this just a couple of days ago Oh

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Jerry Clark he had one weird experience

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and he had trouble believing it even

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though he believed weird experiences by

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other people I'm the opposite it's

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somebody I know and trust especially

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people that know me and know I have a

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weird sense of humor and and so forth if

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somebody told me with a straight face of

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some paranormal thing that had happened

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to them and even if it's somebody I

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should believe I would be very reluctant

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to believe them but I do believe my own

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cases so if I told you I saw UFO you'd

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say yes Steinberg sure tell me another

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one because yes I know you and I respect

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you in many ways and we're friends in

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many ways but I would never know for

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sure whether you were putting me on just

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because you know me that world and you

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might just feel that that's what you

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wanted to do and also I know that over

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the years you've been kind of a put-on

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person you've get into that in a moment

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but this is one of the reasons why if I

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say I saw a UFO you know you wouldn't

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believe it in fact I don't think I

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believe it after all these years we have

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Jim Mosely editor of saucer smear you're

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Mosely joins us we love having him on

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because he just tells lots of great

612
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stories has lots of fascinating opinions

613
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and we've covered a few of his thoughts

614
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about UFOs the fact that he is seeing

615
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UFOs makes him more as they say

616
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accepting of the possibilities we have a

617
00:27:37,270 --> 00:27:35,030
bunch of questions about his beliefs

618
00:27:39,850 --> 00:27:37,280
later on from our listeners at forum dot

619
00:27:41,620 --> 00:27:39,860
the power cast comm but I don't want to

620
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discuss something here which we

621
00:27:48,610 --> 00:27:44,600
mentioned before we had you on and that

622
00:27:50,500 --> 00:27:48,620
is this new Roswell Dream Team you've

623
00:27:52,900 --> 00:27:50,510
mentioned in saucer smear could you

624
00:27:55,420 --> 00:27:52,910
explain what this is all about well no

625
00:27:56,050 --> 00:27:55,430
because they doesn't make much sense do

626
00:27:58,990 --> 00:27:56,060
your best

627
00:28:01,960 --> 00:27:59,000
oh I will need Kevin Randall who I guess

628
00:28:04,780 --> 00:28:01,970
de facto is the number one Rock Roswell

629
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:04,790
investigator because at least Simonet he

630
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:07,970
spent about 90% of his time rehashing

631
00:28:14,290 --> 00:28:11,090
the endless details endlessly so I mean

632
00:28:17,650 --> 00:28:14,300
we can give him that title as number one

633
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:17,660
of this group and he currently works

634
00:28:21,730 --> 00:28:19,850
closely with John Schmidt which in

635
00:28:23,770 --> 00:28:21,740
itself is interesting because there was

636
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:23,780
a long period of time when he and time

637
00:28:28,420 --> 00:28:26,240
Smith did not work together at all they

638
00:28:30,340 --> 00:28:28,430
had a serious falling out for a number

639
00:28:32,110 --> 00:28:30,350
of years but that's a long story

640
00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:32,120
why don't you give us the Reader's

641
00:28:36,340 --> 00:28:34,130
Digest version and we know that the

642
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:36,350
personality conflicts in the UFO field

643
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:39,050
or Legion they occur very often but why

644
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:41,600
did these two have this falling-out well

645
00:28:45,790 --> 00:28:43,730
I'm there was a lot more to it than that

646
00:28:47,740 --> 00:28:45,800
but the funny part in the part that I

647
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:47,750
remember best is dan schmidt

648
00:28:51,730 --> 00:28:49,970
hello I'll start by saying I met him

649
00:28:53,860 --> 00:28:51,740
once at the Roger little Museum and

650
00:28:55,900 --> 00:28:53,870
nobody else was around and so I had a

651
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:55,910
nice talk with him for a half an hour so

652
00:29:00,700 --> 00:28:58,640
the point is he hung around the roswell

653
00:29:03,850 --> 00:29:00,710
museum and I don't know how much he was

654
00:29:06,460 --> 00:29:03,860
there I think he is some people that

655
00:29:09,010 --> 00:29:06,470
were supposedly working there had some

656
00:29:11,410 --> 00:29:09,020
kind of a uniform maybe some kind of

657
00:29:14,460 --> 00:29:11,420
coveralls like a doctor would have all I

658
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:14,470
remember is he seemed to be a member of

659
00:29:21,210 --> 00:29:16,799
because he was there a lot he was

660
00:29:25,860 --> 00:29:21,220
tougher all team is that what it is he

661
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:25,870
was a the cover-up team now he's going

662
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:28,240
to hate me by the way go ahead Oh what

663
00:29:32,399 --> 00:29:30,730
started this all and I'm telling you

664
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:32,409
there were other aspects that I don't

665
00:29:36,570 --> 00:29:34,240
really remember but the funny part was

666
00:29:37,499 --> 00:29:36,580
somehow we came out that during that

667
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:37,509
whole period

668
00:29:43,529 --> 00:29:41,440
- MIT was a rural postal carrier in a

669
00:29:46,980 --> 00:29:43,539
small town and I always forget the state

670
00:29:49,019 --> 00:29:46,990
way back east long way from New Mexico

671
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:49,029
so one would wonder how does he keep

672
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:51,039
these two jobs I mean that's an everyday

673
00:29:56,580 --> 00:29:54,490
job if you're a letter carrier and I

674
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:56,590
still don't know how he explained that

675
00:30:02,940 --> 00:29:59,679
and if he ever did but that seemed to be

676
00:30:05,490 --> 00:30:02,950
a detriment to his veracity or something

677
00:30:07,139 --> 00:30:05,500
and that was one of the reasons and uh

678
00:30:09,629 --> 00:30:07,149
in other words they had known each other

679
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:09,639
Randle and Schmitt for years and as I

680
00:30:13,860 --> 00:30:11,919
read somewhere our decision Randall's

681
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:13,870
new book that I just finished reading he

682
00:30:19,619 --> 00:30:17,049
had no reason to ask Smith what his real

683
00:30:21,149 --> 00:30:19,629
job was or what else he does so that's

684
00:30:23,399 --> 00:30:21,159
how come he didn't know this although

685
00:30:25,230 --> 00:30:23,409
they had been partners for years that's

686
00:30:27,570 --> 00:30:25,240
a very strange kind of attitude you're

687
00:30:29,999 --> 00:30:27,580
supposed to be curious you're wondering

688
00:30:32,700 --> 00:30:30,009
about the greatest mystery of our time

689
00:30:34,590 --> 00:30:32,710
is the Roswell crash part of the UFO

690
00:30:36,539 --> 00:30:34,600
mystery or something else you ought to

691
00:30:38,249 --> 00:30:36,549
be curious about little things like that

692
00:30:40,889 --> 00:30:38,259
I mean when people ask me what my day

693
00:30:45,550 --> 00:30:40,899
job is I said this is it folks when you

694
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:47,779
[Music]

695
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smear we don't want to get to the less

696
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:54,460
lesser pursuits there okay so after all

697
00:31:01,080 --> 00:30:56,850
these years he didn't even inquire as to

698
00:31:04,590 --> 00:31:01,090
this guy moving on to answer the

699
00:31:06,810 --> 00:31:04,600
question about the Dean the dream team I

700
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:06,820
don't mean to say demon team but I

701
00:31:12,210 --> 00:31:10,210
almost did then a third guy came on who

702
00:31:15,180 --> 00:31:12,220
I don't remember the name of but a

703
00:31:18,509 --> 00:31:15,190
fourth guy also came on whose name is

704
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:18,519
Tony by golly you've heard of him he

705
00:31:23,820 --> 00:31:20,799
tends to be skeptical in strange ways I

706
00:31:26,970 --> 00:31:23,830
mean he doesn't believe that the Saqqara

707
00:31:28,049 --> 00:31:26,980
new mexico us he's certainly upset a lot

708
00:31:29,609 --> 00:31:28,059
of people who invest

709
00:31:33,089 --> 00:31:29,619
in that case like our friend ray

710
00:31:36,690 --> 00:31:33,099
Stanford well exactly that is to me the

711
00:31:39,719 --> 00:31:36,700
worst of his opinions because he insists

712
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:39,729
absolutely it says it was a prank by

713
00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:42,399
college too and that would form any

714
00:31:46,109 --> 00:31:44,049
long-winded reasons that would be

715
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:46,119
extremely difficult and the one thing he

716
00:31:50,489 --> 00:31:48,159
hasn't even dealt with it was part of a

717
00:31:52,229 --> 00:31:50,499
flap which I didn't know myself until I

718
00:31:54,180 --> 00:31:52,239
looked into it a little bit more there

719
00:31:56,820 --> 00:31:54,190
were three or four other very similar

720
00:31:59,549 --> 00:31:56,830
cases in that general part of the state

721
00:32:01,289 --> 00:31:59,559
within a couple of days of that one I

722
00:32:03,389 --> 00:32:01,299
mean so you can forget about college

723
00:32:06,089 --> 00:32:03,399
students and and it wouldn't matter if

724
00:32:08,849 --> 00:32:06,099
he said it's a tentative conclusion but

725
00:32:11,070 --> 00:32:08,859
he swears by it some things I agree with

726
00:32:13,259 --> 00:32:11,080
him on and some things I don't he's the

727
00:32:16,139 --> 00:32:13,269
one that has made a big deal out of the

728
00:32:17,969 --> 00:32:16,149
mystery metal that was supposedly part

729
00:32:20,669 --> 00:32:17,979
of the stuff that they found at the

730
00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:20,679
debris field in Roswell now that's the

731
00:32:27,829 --> 00:32:24,129
one where Jesse Marcel jr. said his

732
00:32:30,180 --> 00:32:27,839
father had handed it to him and this

733
00:32:32,329 --> 00:32:30,190
couldn't be bent and it couldn't be

734
00:32:35,129 --> 00:32:32,339
burned and it couldn't be destroyed

735
00:32:37,769 --> 00:32:35,139
created a lot of things that to me is

736
00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:37,779
too technical for me to have a final

737
00:32:45,180 --> 00:32:41,289
opinion on it is said that we did have

738
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:45,190
metal like that at that time wing here

739
00:32:50,219 --> 00:32:47,440
the big thing here is that all these

740
00:32:53,579 --> 00:32:50,229
people are getting together to do what I

741
00:32:56,009 --> 00:32:53,589
mean how many times do we have to story

742
00:32:58,649 --> 00:32:56,019
again before we say okay we've got as

743
00:33:00,509 --> 00:32:58,659
much information as we can and then I'm

744
00:33:02,310 --> 00:33:00,519
going to ask you a connecting story in a

745
00:33:03,659 --> 00:33:02,320
moment which comes out of reading Kevin

746
00:33:05,969 --> 00:33:03,669
Randall's new book but let's get that

747
00:33:08,249 --> 00:33:05,979
guy said let me just answer that you are

748
00:33:10,919 --> 00:33:08,259
absolutely right these are four people

749
00:33:13,229 --> 00:33:10,929
they all are somewhat familiar with all

750
00:33:15,930 --> 00:33:13,239
this intricately long and complex

751
00:33:18,239 --> 00:33:15,940
information about Roswell and they all

752
00:33:20,669 --> 00:33:18,249
have somewhat different opinions and

753
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:20,679
it's happened so long ago that they're

754
00:33:25,709 --> 00:33:22,690
actually interviewing children and

755
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:25,719
grandchildren of the original witnesses

756
00:33:30,719 --> 00:33:28,570
and the question arises what can they

757
00:33:33,299 --> 00:33:30,729
possibly learn that they don't already

758
00:33:35,310 --> 00:33:33,309
know it makes no sense and they're never

759
00:33:37,889 --> 00:33:35,320
going to if they're all honest about it

760
00:33:39,570 --> 00:33:37,899
being able to all sign off on the same

761
00:33:40,349 --> 00:33:39,580
statements because they have different

762
00:33:41,299 --> 00:33:40,359
opinions

763
00:33:44,810 --> 00:33:41,309
well is it also

764
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:44,820
here of passing the story from father to

765
00:33:49,580 --> 00:33:47,519
son to daughter to grandson to

766
00:33:51,379 --> 00:33:49,590
great-grandson but you know we

767
00:33:54,049 --> 00:33:51,389
understand the Hopi Indians get away

768
00:33:59,299 --> 00:33:54,059
with its foreign oral traditions as kris

769
00:34:01,850 --> 00:33:59,309
has told us but in the real wavelength a

770
00:34:03,289 --> 00:34:01,860
lot of times yes with Indians we forgive

771
00:34:05,779 --> 00:34:03,299
them because they have no written

772
00:34:07,549 --> 00:34:05,789
language and they're Indians and we have

773
00:34:09,919 --> 00:34:07,559
to respect them and there are many

774
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:09,929
factories there but with these guys I

775
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:12,450
don't understand it now ok so in any

776
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:14,970
case what do they think they're doing

777
00:34:20,990 --> 00:34:18,960
ok so Jim how are these various people

778
00:34:22,909 --> 00:34:21,000
going to change anything we know about

779
00:34:26,780 --> 00:34:22,919
Roswell what are they gonna do that's

780
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:26,790
different I don't know I don't know it

781
00:34:37,389 --> 00:34:28,560
makes no sense that they're even gonna

782
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:45,139
is that Chris yeah well he comes on like

783
00:34:51,379 --> 00:34:49,490
a gravel voice of some other dimension I

784
00:34:53,869 --> 00:34:51,389
mentioned right now we didn't want to

785
00:35:02,059 --> 00:34:53,879
mention that he's in the 17th dimension

786
00:35:05,150 --> 00:35:02,069
in LA well I still think of Roswell it's

787
00:35:06,829 --> 00:35:05,160
just you know it's the red herring it's

788
00:35:10,430 --> 00:35:06,839
like every few years somebody comes

789
00:35:12,589 --> 00:35:10,440
along and tries to keep our focus on the

790
00:35:14,660 --> 00:35:12,599
dead horse we need to be looking forward

791
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:14,670
we need to be doing hard data monitoring

792
00:35:18,790 --> 00:35:17,760
at hotspot areas all the Roswell stuff I

793
00:35:22,730 --> 00:35:18,800
mean come on already

794
00:35:28,780 --> 00:35:22,740
well let's get on to what I believe to

795
00:35:34,910 --> 00:35:32,720
hang on ok we are going to be breaking

796
00:35:36,620 --> 00:35:34,920
in a couple of moments here but I want

797
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:36,630
to mention what Jim is gonna be talking

798
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:37,920
about give you a little preview here

799
00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:39,890
there's a new book out called

800
00:35:44,660 --> 00:35:42,569
reflections of a UFO investigator from

801
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:44,670
our friends at anomalous books it is

802
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:48,690
kind of an autobiographical type tome

803
00:35:53,930 --> 00:35:52,650
from Kevin Randall and Jim having read

804
00:35:55,940 --> 00:35:53,940
this book from

805
00:35:57,790 --> 00:35:55,950
to cover and understand and when Jim

806
00:36:00,559 --> 00:35:57,800
reads a book from cover to cover

807
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:00,569
special UFO book that's an exception he

808
00:36:04,250 --> 00:36:01,890
doesn't always have the time but this

809
00:36:06,980 --> 00:36:04,260
one he read from cover to cover because

810
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it's not a big book it's got 270 pages 7

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this is 37 the author of us on this

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reads and listening to the podcast we're

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back with Jim Mosley the irrepressible

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the one and only Jim Mosley who of

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course is editor publisher of saucer

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smear they'll tell you real soon how to

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get a copy and how to check out all the

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wacky things he's done so let me preface

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this conversation we first talked about

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the Roswell dream team several people

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getting together to find a new angle to

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what might be as Chris O'Brien says the

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dead horse I'm starting to sound like

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the announcer for the Lone Ranger you

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know doing some kind of preview here

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about the cliffhanger

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okay so Kevin Randall writes this book

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reflections of a UFO investigator for

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anomalous books just out and we have

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copies of the book on the way so Chris

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and I are gonna read it and Kevin

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Randall's gonna be on the show to talk

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about it ahead of that Jim you read the

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book from cover to cover and you reach

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some fascinating conclusions well I have

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always been for years now a fan of the

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Mogul balloon solution as opposed to the

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interplanetary solution because for long

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and complex reasons it just seems to

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make a lot more sense if the listeners

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don't have some kind of a background on

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Roswell they're gonna have trouble

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following what I have to say what I have

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just discovered it's not really quite

962
00:42:39,380 --> 00:42:36,780
earth-shaking but it almost is there is

963
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:39,390
one of the witnesses and there are

964
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endless witnesses but one of them is a

965
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woman named Bessie Brazel Bessie Brazel

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was the daughter of Mark the Brazel who

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was the rancher on his ranch

968
00:43:00,050 --> 00:42:56,010
the Roswell debris fell somewhere

969
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between the middle of June 1947 and a

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very early July 4th at this point of

971
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order Jim it's Mac Brazel Mac ma si are

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you sure I have it right here I have our

973
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immediate account which says Mac Brazel

974
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who discovered the debris

975
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no incident trust me I've got em ACK but

976
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nevermind so his daughter Bessie was 14

977
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years old

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at that time and she's been interviewed

979
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a number of times through the years I'm

980
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not sure if Randall ever met her or not

981
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but she made a similar statements

982
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through the years now the interesting

983
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thing to me is that she describes the

984
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records that they found and I'm not

985
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going to bother with the whole

986
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description but this is the part that is

987
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of interest to me in regard to the point

988
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that I'm trying to make she says in in

989
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regard to the debris quote the

990
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flower-like designs on the tape

991
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looked like Japanese flowers where the

992
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petals are not connected dot dot they

993
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were very very light pastel pinks and

994
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:11,900
blues and yellows the tape was about two

995
00:44:18,670 --> 00:44:14,890
inches wide now why is that interesting

996
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:18,680
because number one it differs from the

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00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:22,160
interpretation of Jesse Marcel senior

998
00:44:27,940 --> 00:44:24,530
who was another of the early people that

999
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saw the debris because he insists that

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there were hieroglyphics and a lot has

1001
00:44:34,620 --> 00:44:31,940
been made of that and people have tried

1002
00:44:37,330 --> 00:44:34,630
to reproduce the hieroglyphics so was it

1003
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hieroglyphics there was a flowers or

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both well the man who launched the Mogul

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balloons from I forget how many miles

1006
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away in in New Mexico in 1947 he

1007
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remembers that in in that series of

1008
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balloons that they sent over there was

1009
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tape with a flower design on it I mean

1010
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:04,130
he has said that I don't know if he's

1011
00:45:08,260 --> 00:45:05,810
written a book but I've met him and he

1012
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:08,270
said it to other people and people that

1013
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were involved on the project with him

1014
00:45:15,070 --> 00:45:12,470
some of them are still alive until

1015
00:45:19,330 --> 00:45:15,080
recently they all remember that because

1016
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it's unusual and what happened was the

1017
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contract for this tape was somehow in

1018
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the hands of a factory in New York City

1019
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I don't have a name of the factory but

1020
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this

1021
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:30,860
he told me a couple of times it is quite

1022
00:45:36,580 --> 00:45:32,930
interesting the lady

1023
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garment workers union aware the women

1024
00:45:42,430 --> 00:45:39,860
who were actually the manufacturers of

1025
00:45:44,020 --> 00:45:42,440
this particular tape that had this

1026
00:45:49,690 --> 00:45:44,030
flower design on it

1027
00:45:53,710 --> 00:45:49,700
now if what's his name no more it

1028
00:45:57,550 --> 00:45:53,720
remembers that I clearly and if this

1029
00:46:01,510 --> 00:45:57,560
woman saw apparently the same type of

1030
00:46:04,780 --> 00:46:01,520
designs that he remembers that is a

1031
00:46:06,430 --> 00:46:04,790
match and I can't imagine how they would

1032
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:06,440
have known each other or talk to each

1033
00:46:11,500 --> 00:46:09,650
other because because more didn't get

1034
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:11,510
involved in this until many years later

1035
00:46:17,260 --> 00:46:13,280
when you're talking about more this is

1036
00:46:23,500 --> 00:46:17,270
spill more no no not at all

1037
00:46:27,490 --> 00:46:23,510
it's what he's called Charles war who

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00:46:31,570 --> 00:46:27,500
was the chief project coordinator on the

1039
00:46:33,370 --> 00:46:31,580
Mogul balloon project okay no it's

1040
00:46:35,530 --> 00:46:33,380
involved in a totally different way but

1041
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:35,540
it's an easy mistake he was the

1042
00:46:41,170 --> 00:46:38,480
co-author of the first book on Roswell

1043
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:41,180
that came out about 1980 which was over

1044
00:46:45,370 --> 00:46:43,520
30 years after the event and this is the

1045
00:46:47,590 --> 00:46:45,380
one he wrote with Charles Berlitz and

1046
00:46:49,060 --> 00:46:47,600
Stanton Friedman contributed something

1047
00:46:51,220 --> 00:46:49,070
but somehow didn't get his name on the

1048
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:51,230
book didn't didn't get any credit no but

1049
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:55,760
a Charles Moore professor Moore he was

1050
00:47:04,660 --> 00:47:00,160
called he was alive until recently and

1051
00:47:09,370 --> 00:47:04,670
was a big figure I guess in the balloon

1052
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:09,380
research field going back as far as 1947

1053
00:47:14,970 --> 00:47:12,050
as I say so he wouldn't remember every

1054
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:14,980
detail perfectly but the pastel flowers

1055
00:47:21,070 --> 00:47:19,040
he told me and told probably hundreds of

1056
00:47:23,620 --> 00:47:21,080
other people so telling me is no big

1057
00:47:26,110 --> 00:47:23,630
deal but the fact that he remembers

1058
00:47:28,810 --> 00:47:26,120
those flowers remember you're not going

1059
00:47:32,260 --> 00:47:28,820
to expect to see pastel flowers on on a

1060
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:32,270
spaceship or on a man-made balloon it's

1061
00:47:36,970 --> 00:47:34,010
just something that you wouldn't be

1062
00:47:38,970 --> 00:47:36,980
likely to make up and so I think that

1063
00:47:41,650 --> 00:47:38,980
correlation I don't remember anybody

1064
00:47:42,589 --> 00:47:41,660
calling attention to it before but then

1065
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:42,599
again I never

1066
00:47:49,819 --> 00:47:45,839
all of flax book witches about Roswell

1067
00:47:53,210 --> 00:47:49,829
and which she believes now that it was a

1068
00:47:57,229 --> 00:47:53,220
multiple so that's the story I think

1069
00:47:59,680 --> 00:47:57,239
that pretty well proved that what they

1070
00:48:03,559 --> 00:47:59,690
found was record

1071
00:48:07,489 --> 00:48:03,569
so you think Chris are Brian that ends

1072
00:48:09,650 --> 00:48:07,499
the story ended what doesn't end the

1073
00:48:12,140 --> 00:48:09,660
story but I think it's it's as Jim

1074
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:12,150
points out it's quite noteworthy and I

1075
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think it does it does make a person

1076
00:48:20,989 --> 00:48:18,119
who's a true believer in the

1077
00:48:25,519 --> 00:48:20,999
extraterrestrial nature of that crash it

1078
00:48:28,519 --> 00:48:25,529
should give them pause yeah I agree

1079
00:48:31,279 --> 00:48:28,529
there there are a lot of other things

1080
00:48:33,529 --> 00:48:31,289
you know I mean we could talk your show

1081
00:48:35,749 --> 00:48:33,539
is two hours and that's not enough or

1082
00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:35,759
just even scratch the surface well

1083
00:48:40,849 --> 00:48:37,710
actually technically three hours with

1084
00:48:42,789 --> 00:48:40,859
the news block okay but we you and I are

1085
00:48:46,099 --> 00:48:42,799
doing two hours or something like that

1086
00:48:50,029 --> 00:48:46,109
okay well I mean there are so many

1087
00:48:52,009 --> 00:48:50,039
peculiarities this is not as definitive

1088
00:48:54,229 --> 00:48:52,019
as the one I just said but just just

1089
00:48:59,989 --> 00:48:54,239
always bothered me from the beginning

1090
00:49:06,759 --> 00:48:59,999
when Dennis was owner or a employee of a

1091
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:06,769
funeral parlor in Roswell in 1947 and he

1092
00:49:12,589 --> 00:49:10,319
gets into this whole thing in in long

1093
00:49:15,620 --> 00:49:12,599
and complex ways but I'll just mentioned

1094
00:49:19,069 --> 00:49:15,630
one of them he claimed that the Air

1095
00:49:21,170 --> 00:49:19,079
Force after this crash occurred and of

1096
00:49:24,259 --> 00:49:21,180
course in the older versions of this

1097
00:49:26,450 --> 00:49:24,269
there were there were little men who

1098
00:49:28,700 --> 00:49:26,460
didn't look human that were found in the

1099
00:49:31,849 --> 00:49:28,710
wreckage when we're talking about

1100
00:49:33,650 --> 00:49:31,859
Brazil's farm there were in a little

1101
00:49:36,049 --> 00:49:33,660
then and I believe that all the other

1102
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:36,059
stories would include little men are are

1103
00:49:41,509 --> 00:49:38,880
fictitious but anyway he claims that he

1104
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:41,519
got a call from the Air Force to prepare

1105
00:49:47,779 --> 00:49:44,400
I could get three four or five small

1106
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:47,789
coffins were for these creatures now can

1107
00:49:51,499 --> 00:49:49,410
you believe if it was that highly

1108
00:49:53,989 --> 00:49:51,509
classified and they chased people away

1109
00:49:56,339 --> 00:49:53,999
from the site and threatened them and

1110
00:50:02,549 --> 00:49:56,349
their families and all of the

1111
00:50:04,620 --> 00:50:02,559
I powered up well I mean isn't that kind

1112
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:04,630
of a breach of security he just called

1113
00:50:12,269 --> 00:50:08,890
the nearest funeral home and say Oh

1114
00:50:13,799 --> 00:50:12,279
prepare some small coffins we've got

1115
00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:13,809
some small creatures here that we've got

1116
00:50:17,549 --> 00:50:15,730
to put to rest

1117
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:17,559
yeah we just recovered them these are

1118
00:50:28,740 --> 00:50:25,010
it would have been handled completely

1119
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:28,750
differently and believe me by now we

1120
00:50:33,900 --> 00:50:31,359
would know for sure because somebody

1121
00:50:35,849 --> 00:50:33,910
reliable would have a story with

1122
00:50:38,190 --> 00:50:35,859
something to back it up

1123
00:50:40,500 --> 00:50:38,200
but you could tell us yes there were

1124
00:50:42,750 --> 00:50:40,510
creatures involved there were four or

1125
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:42,760
five people including when Dennis two

1126
00:50:47,849 --> 00:50:45,130
talked about creatures and they've all

1127
00:50:51,210 --> 00:50:47,859
been discredited by now to the point

1128
00:50:53,910 --> 00:50:51,220
that even Kevin Randall leaves out all

1129
00:50:56,670 --> 00:50:53,920
of those stories that include bodies all

1130
00:50:58,620 --> 00:50:56,680
of them now all he's got to go on is

1131
00:51:01,410 --> 00:50:58,630
this stuff that was on the Brussels

1132
00:51:03,420 --> 00:51:01,420
Blanchett I told you why I think it's a

1133
00:51:05,819 --> 00:51:03,430
moldable wound if that's all that we've

1134
00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:05,829
got and then the case is solved and we

1135
00:51:09,630 --> 00:51:07,569
can move on to something else

1136
00:51:11,039 --> 00:51:09,640
we'll move on to something else the book

1137
00:51:13,230 --> 00:51:11,049
by the way by Kevin Randall's called

1138
00:51:15,210 --> 00:51:13,240
reflections of a UFO investigator Kevin

1139
00:51:17,309 --> 00:51:15,220
Randle will be on and he's gonna respond

1140
00:51:19,230 --> 00:51:17,319
to what Jim says and very likely Jim's

1141
00:51:20,849 --> 00:51:19,240
gonna be here to talk with Kevin Randle

1142
00:51:23,130 --> 00:51:20,859
then if you have a comment or question

1143
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:23,140
about the show write us news of the

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00:51:27,839 --> 00:51:25,690
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1145
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1161
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1164
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1165
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1166
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forcing taxes to service debt this

1167
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capitalism or was Jefferson correct when

1168
00:52:33,410 --> 00:52:31,800
stating a central bank issuing the

1169
00:52:34,550 --> 00:52:33,420
public currency is a greater menace to

1170
00:52:35,900 --> 00:52:34,560
the liberties of the people than a

1171
00:52:37,340 --> 00:52:35,910
standing army today understand I'm

1172
00:52:39,170 --> 00:52:37,350
placing a free silver dollar in a book

1173
00:52:42,620 --> 00:52:39,180
that explains our monetary system call

1174
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1175
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:45,840
to understand the system call 866 to 237

1176
00:52:55,300 --> 00:52:49,210
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1177
00:53:03,340 --> 00:52:59,000
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1178
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:03,350
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1179
00:53:12,500 --> 00:53:10,650
here's Jane Steinberg with Jean and

1180
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:12,510
Chris we have Jim Mosely editor of

1181
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:14,850
sorceress mere before we go on with the

1182
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:16,770
second of three hours of this

1183
00:53:21,500 --> 00:53:18,930
presentation and we ask your questions

1184
00:53:26,060 --> 00:53:21,510
listeners I have one of Jim you tell us

1185
00:53:28,340 --> 00:53:26,070
how to get a copy saucer smear enjoy

1186
00:53:31,370 --> 00:53:28,350
that question well I have a post office

1187
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:31,380
box this is all by mail this is by the

1188
00:53:36,980 --> 00:53:32,880
way while there's still a post office to

1189
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:36,990
have a box yes exactly I mean I knew

1190
00:53:42,349 --> 00:53:39,090
something was wrong at the post office

1191
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:42,359
weren't even at Christmastime the lines

1192
00:53:48,590 --> 00:53:45,810
were extremely short and any other time

1193
00:53:51,230 --> 00:53:48,600
there's no line I kid you not I am

1194
00:53:53,870 --> 00:53:51,240
amazed at how few people are at the post

1195
00:53:57,170 --> 00:53:53,880
office but anyhow saucer schmear is

1196
00:53:59,960 --> 00:53:57,180
delivered there by mail and if you want

1197
00:54:01,880 --> 00:53:59,970
a sample copy I could send it to you for

1198
00:54:04,910 --> 00:54:01,890
nothing and then if you want to

1199
00:54:06,650 --> 00:54:04,920
subscribe or non subscribers I call like

1200
00:54:09,380 --> 00:54:06,660
that let's say subscribe if you want to

1201
00:54:11,930 --> 00:54:09,390
get on the permanent mailing list and

1202
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:11,940
you should send us what we call a love

1203
00:54:20,210 --> 00:54:15,359
offering of some reasonable size and the

1204
00:54:24,859 --> 00:54:20,220
address is pol box 1 709 Key West

1205
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:24,869
Florida 3 304 1 and you know when they

1206
00:54:30,430 --> 00:54:26,490
discontinued the post office completely

1207
00:54:36,790 --> 00:54:30,440
Jim will just drive out to your home

1208
00:54:38,900 --> 00:54:36,800
[Music]

1209
00:54:41,090 --> 00:54:38,910
basically what he's going to do is take

1210
00:54:44,300 --> 00:54:41,100
a non trip I'll tell you what fools we

1211
00:54:46,250 --> 00:54:44,310
have a lot of questions of Jim loads of

1212
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:46,260
questions and I'm gonna get into some of

1213
00:54:50,180 --> 00:54:48,090
them here and I think we can almost fill

1214
00:54:53,630 --> 00:54:50,190
a full show with this normally what we

1215
00:54:55,340 --> 00:54:53,640
do at forum dr. Peric ascom is we

1216
00:54:57,500 --> 00:54:55,350
mentioned when a guest is going to be on

1217
00:55:00,200 --> 00:54:57,510
this time we booked Jim only hours

1218
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:00,210
before he showed up despite that we have

1219
00:55:04,490 --> 00:55:01,890
a bunch of questions for him because the

1220
00:55:06,620 --> 00:55:04,500
listeners just love hearing Jim you've

1221
00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:06,630
got a fan base out there I know you'd

1222
00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:06,880
write

1223
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:12,640
comedy I'd like to be able to see them

1224
00:55:18,779 --> 00:55:16,089
not just in the ether but in a 3d

1225
00:55:20,220 --> 00:55:18,789
representation of their body and you

1226
00:55:22,789 --> 00:55:20,230
don't want these people to give you

1227
00:55:26,579 --> 00:55:22,799
ether because then you'll be unconscious

1228
00:55:29,339 --> 00:55:26,589
okay so what are the questions okay

1229
00:55:32,789 --> 00:55:29,349
first question from GOG smacky

1230
00:55:35,009 --> 00:55:32,799
hmm GOG smacky that's his username you

1231
00:55:38,579 --> 00:55:35,019
know that's like he's kind of like doing

1232
00:55:41,009 --> 00:55:38,589
a take on the word gobsmacked okay okay

1233
00:55:42,749 --> 00:55:41,019
so here is I got a few for Jim number

1234
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:42,759
one having stated that you have

1235
00:55:47,700 --> 00:55:44,410
subscribed to many different

1236
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:47,710
explanations of the UFO mystery is there

1237
00:55:54,210 --> 00:55:51,609
one you know come down on more than the

1238
00:55:57,599 --> 00:55:54,220
others well I've had different opinions

1239
00:56:00,630 --> 00:55:57,609
at different times I was with the

1240
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:00,640
interplanetary belief for quite a long

1241
00:56:06,539 --> 00:56:03,210
time and and way back when I

1242
00:56:10,019 --> 00:56:06,549
specifically was on the belief that

1243
00:56:13,710 --> 00:56:10,029
these came from Mars because it's nearby

1244
00:56:16,349 --> 00:56:13,720
and has a atmosphere that is vaguely

1245
00:56:20,099 --> 00:56:16,359
similar to ours and also there were the

1246
00:56:23,220 --> 00:56:20,109
canals which were still being believed I

1247
00:56:25,049 --> 00:56:23,230
think as recently as 30 or so years ago

1248
00:56:27,210 --> 00:56:25,059
and are now known to be an optical

1249
00:56:29,279 --> 00:56:27,220
illusion there are no canals the

1250
00:56:31,589 --> 00:56:29,289
evidence has changed in my opinion has

1251
00:56:33,450 --> 00:56:31,599
changed but mainly the reasons that

1252
00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:33,460
would be very difficult to explain in

1253
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:37,569
detail but I the more i see this and all

1254
00:56:44,940 --> 00:56:40,690
the weird ways that the saucer mystery

1255
00:56:47,940 --> 00:56:44,950
behaves and all the weird overtones and

1256
00:56:50,759 --> 00:56:47,950
hunger toes i really think that this

1257
00:56:53,220 --> 00:56:50,769
isn't creatures coming in from another

1258
00:56:55,710 --> 00:56:53,230
planet in some ways they're too much

1259
00:57:00,809 --> 00:56:55,720
like us in other ways they seem to be

1260
00:57:03,870 --> 00:57:00,819
mocking us there is some strange link

1261
00:57:06,329 --> 00:57:03,880
between these creatures and us and it

1262
00:57:09,029 --> 00:57:06,339
may be another dimension it may be

1263
00:57:12,529 --> 00:57:09,039
anything that you like but I don't think

1264
00:57:15,390 --> 00:57:12,539
we have to count on the idea that

1265
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:15,400
creatures like us are coming here in

1266
00:57:20,130 --> 00:57:18,160
spaceships sort of like ours and you

1267
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:20,140
know trying to enlighten us

1268
00:57:24,510 --> 00:57:22,480
so on that's simplistic and I don't

1269
00:57:25,410 --> 00:57:24,520
think it's true and what is the truth I

1270
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:25,420
do not know

1271
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:27,370
okay that's from GOG smacky whose name

1272
00:57:30,930 --> 00:57:29,440
is really Gordon by the way and he's got

1273
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:30,940
another question for you he's got five

1274
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:34,090
by the way what is the most novel and/or

1275
00:57:38,370 --> 00:57:36,610
ridiculous explanation of the UFO

1276
00:57:41,130 --> 00:57:38,380
phenomenon that you have come across

1277
00:57:43,590 --> 00:57:41,140
well off the top of my head I can't

1278
00:57:45,780 --> 00:57:43,600
answer that but I'll try it this way

1279
00:57:49,260 --> 00:57:45,790
if you change it what of all the

1280
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:49,270
explanations for Roswell what is the

1281
00:57:55,590 --> 00:57:53,410
most ridiculous one if you have a just

1282
00:57:58,760 --> 00:57:55,600
in regard to Roswell I can give you an

1283
00:58:01,950 --> 00:57:58,770
immediate edge and that's John keels

1284
00:58:04,590 --> 00:58:01,960
explanation John keel whatever is no

1285
00:58:07,350 --> 00:58:04,600
longer with us but he was a theorist

1286
00:58:09,450 --> 00:58:07,360
that got pretty wild at times and often

1287
00:58:12,420 --> 00:58:09,460
didn't think the evidence through

1288
00:58:15,420 --> 00:58:12,430
completely because he just liked to with

1289
00:58:18,300 --> 00:58:15,430
a large brush stroke this way hound and

1290
00:58:21,060 --> 00:58:18,310
forget the details of why the theories

1291
00:58:24,110 --> 00:58:21,070
might not actually work but in regard to

1292
00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:24,120
the Roswell crash he said it was a

1293
00:58:29,460 --> 00:58:27,280
frugal balloon now the photo balloons

1294
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:29,470
who were sent by the Japanese during

1295
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:33,130
World War two and they were I guess what

1296
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:34,930
they might have been made of cloth paper

1297
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:37,090
I'm not sure I don't know the details

1298
00:58:42,420 --> 00:58:40,000
but the idea was they could because of

1299
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:42,430
the wind currents they could Crossley

1300
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:45,370
the Pacific and if they said enough of a

1301
00:58:52,290 --> 00:58:48,610
few of them would reach America and they

1302
00:58:53,970 --> 00:58:52,300
were had explosives on board and when

1303
00:58:56,190 --> 00:58:53,980
they crash they would explode it'll

1304
00:58:59,190 --> 00:58:56,200
cause some damage and actually a very

1305
00:59:01,380 --> 00:58:59,200
few did get to the west coast and I

1306
00:59:02,970 --> 00:59:01,390
think one of them at least did kill

1307
00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:02,980
about four or five people in some

1308
00:59:10,020 --> 00:59:06,240
florists but mainly it didn't work well

1309
00:59:14,010 --> 00:59:10,030
he'll insisted that this was a balloon

1310
00:59:16,860 --> 00:59:14,020
it didn't blow up and you know hitch for

1311
00:59:19,410 --> 00:59:16,870
a whole bunch of reasons it was a off

1312
00:59:22,380 --> 00:59:19,420
the top of my head type of a theory and

1313
00:59:25,530 --> 00:59:22,390
I always found it ludicrous but killed

1314
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:25,540
would get serious at anybody that didn't

1315
00:59:30,420 --> 00:59:28,690
believe it so what are you gonna do no I

1316
00:59:33,390 --> 00:59:30,430
remember when he was talking about that

1317
00:59:33,630 --> 00:59:33,400
yeah but two years after the end of the

1318
00:59:35,309 --> 00:59:33,640
war

1319
00:59:38,609 --> 00:59:35,319
you would think that a fool alone would

1320
00:59:41,069 --> 00:59:38,619
put amazing fear a lot sooner would why

1321
00:59:43,970 --> 00:59:41,079
I didn't know one of those balloon guy

1322
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:43,980
it couldn't stay aloft for two years and

1323
00:59:50,460 --> 00:59:46,450
excuse me years at the end of the world

1324
00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:50,470
I blew the whole presentation that was

1325
00:59:56,220 --> 00:59:53,200
the most ludicrous part of it and I

1326
01:00:01,200 --> 00:59:56,230
unfortunately left it out the war ended

1327
01:00:03,539 --> 01:00:01,210
in August of 1945 and the Roswell plane

1328
01:00:04,890 --> 01:00:03,549
crashed in late June or early July of

1329
01:00:07,710 --> 01:00:04,900
1947

1330
01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:07,720
that's roughly two years later the even

1331
01:00:13,289 --> 01:00:10,000
keel couldn't explain how it stayed

1332
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:13,299
aloft for two years and I couldn't get

1333
01:00:17,279 --> 01:00:15,250
out of the heat he fell didn't get

1334
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:17,289
suspended animation and then released

1335
01:00:22,500 --> 01:00:20,410
its years later yeah so I mean it was

1336
01:00:22,980 --> 01:00:22,510
done by ultra terrestrials that's how it

1337
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:22,990
was done

1338
01:00:26,970 --> 01:00:24,970
let's get to the next question here now

1339
01:00:28,890 --> 01:00:26,980
briefly speaking here I'm gonna ask you

1340
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before we do this and here's the

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question it's about the strength letter

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the hoax letter to George Adamski can

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you explain in like one or two minutes

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again what this is about that I'll ask

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the question because some listeners

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haven't heard the earlier shows all

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right well he was the most famous of the

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early contactees and wrote three or four

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books in the 1950s about space people

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looking very much like us coming from

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other planets and in some cases landing

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on earth in other cases mixing with

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earth people and doing all kinds of

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things that are kind of unlikely and the

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danske was very well known at the time

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he his books especially the first one

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sold very well and I had I forget if it

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was before or after that I I met a day

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of skeeve I set up and I liked him but

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this was just for fun gray Barker and I

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were close friends and one weekend we

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got the idea somehow fueled by alcohol

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no doubt to send a hoax letter to George

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Adamski now the way this was possible

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was because gray Barker had a friend who

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I EE

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ever met in person that this friend his

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father was a Undersecretary of state

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which is pretty high up and the kid had

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access to stationery from the State

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Department and other government agencies

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are those now oh I don't know how he got

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all these agencies but there were six or

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seven different kinds of stationery

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lilia so he took this - yes the

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stationery of the of the State

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Department and it just made something up

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and the gist of it was that this fellow

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is sort of spilling the beans about a

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secret and and he's telling George

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Adamski basically there are those of us

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here who take your claims very seriously

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what you know what you all chose to take

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strength letter about the State

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Department stationery that a friend of

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gray Barker had gotten and now you're

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writing I guess grade did the typing and

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you both kind of dictate yes you did the

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typing so we the other letters didn't

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get so much attention that week I think

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we wrote six or seven letters on each

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other a different kind of stationery to

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different people in the saucer field and

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I honestly can't remember any more

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01:08:01,980 --> 01:07:59,200
though they all were one was a choral

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01:08:04,650 --> 01:08:01,990
Lorenzen I think and I honestly can't

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01:08:06,090 --> 01:08:04,660
think it was one you told me Jim when

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01:08:08,250 --> 01:08:06,100
you tell me to the story the first time

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she was with an organization called

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aerial phenomena research organization

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01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:12,850
which predates MUFON by a number of

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01:08:15,750 --> 01:08:14,050
years yeah that's right

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01:08:19,140 --> 01:08:15,760
okay so anyway you send the letter out

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01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:19,150
and Adamski's touting this sky this is

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proof the government knows I'm telling

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the truth

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and of course the authorities get wind

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01:08:28,770 --> 01:08:26,230
of it the FBI comes to see you and

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01:08:30,810 --> 01:08:28,780
groaning not only did they get wind of

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01:08:33,870 --> 01:08:30,820
it because a danske like I would have

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01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:33,880
done if I were a Dan ski he used that in

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his propaganda from then on I mean you

1521
01:08:40,110 --> 01:08:37,990
know you can't call me a face I have

1522
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:40,120
this letter from the State Department

1523
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:42,970
and so he pushed it and publicized it

1524
01:08:49,230 --> 01:08:46,210
and that kind of can I say pissed off at

1525
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the government and they did send the FBI

1526
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over to talk to him which was the wrong

1527
01:08:58,050 --> 01:08:55,330
thing to do because then he knew it was

1528
01:09:00,270 --> 01:08:58,060
authentic why would they bother to send

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01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:00,280
somebody if it was just some silly hope

1530
01:09:05,689 --> 01:09:03,210
so he went right on where there

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01:09:07,999 --> 01:09:05,699
I guess they just gave up and let him do

1532
01:09:12,079 --> 01:09:08,009
it but they also visited you and grain

1533
01:09:13,999 --> 01:09:12,089
no I was not a suspect because gray and

1534
01:09:15,740 --> 01:09:14,009
I had such different views or only

1535
01:09:18,799 --> 01:09:15,750
people that Miller's from music we

1536
01:09:22,999 --> 01:09:18,809
conspired to do things like this but

1537
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great was visited and what he did was he

1538
01:09:27,919 --> 01:09:26,250
got so paranoid that he chopped up the

1539
01:09:31,269 --> 01:09:27,929
typewriter he was afraid that they'd

1540
01:09:35,180 --> 01:09:31,279
catch him by the typeface and and he

1541
01:09:37,399 --> 01:09:35,190
buried it somehow in some concrete wall

1542
01:09:39,649 --> 01:09:37,409
that was being constructed somewhere

1543
01:09:41,450 --> 01:09:39,659
around Clarksburg at that time folks

1544
01:09:43,339 --> 01:09:41,460
this sounds like the TV show Criminal

1545
01:09:44,209 --> 01:09:43,349
Minds where they basically focus on

1546
01:09:46,519 --> 01:09:44,219
serial killers

1547
01:09:49,849 --> 01:09:46,529
what great blocker was a serial

1548
01:09:52,669 --> 01:09:49,859
typewriter destroyer exactly so he never

1549
01:09:55,279 --> 01:09:52,679
would even tell me where this wall was

1550
01:09:57,109 --> 01:09:55,289
or the details there anyway because he

1551
01:09:59,180 --> 01:09:57,119
got rid of the typewriter now they have

1552
01:10:00,770 --> 01:09:59,190
a document in there about the secret of

1553
01:10:04,279 --> 01:10:00,780
the UFO mystery so we can start looking

1554
01:10:06,799 --> 01:10:04,289
for it I was thinking here maybe Jim

1555
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:06,809
that gray bark or when he buried the

1556
01:10:10,100 --> 01:10:07,530
typewriter

1557
01:10:13,299 --> 01:10:10,110
he also buried a document that proves

1558
01:10:16,490 --> 01:10:13,309
what the UFO mystery solution really is

1559
01:10:19,939 --> 01:10:16,500
if I knew where he buried it I'd dig up

1560
01:10:21,620 --> 01:10:19,949
the tickler and that message or as they

1561
01:10:24,229 --> 01:10:21,630
say can you dig it we've got another

1562
01:10:26,450 --> 01:10:24,239
question here okay here we go Jim do you

1563
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:26,460
have any particular case for a piece of

1564
01:10:31,129 --> 01:10:29,010
evidence that reaffirms your belief that

1565
01:10:33,709 --> 01:10:31,139
there is something real and unknown

1566
01:10:35,330 --> 01:10:33,719
about the UFO phenomenon I guess this

1567
01:10:37,700 --> 01:10:35,340
would be your favorite or most

1568
01:10:41,060 --> 01:10:37,710
compelling case since that's obviously

1569
01:10:44,299 --> 01:10:41,070
not Roswell well right it would be any I

1570
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:44,309
guess of these roughly a dozen things

1571
01:10:50,029 --> 01:10:47,010
that have happened to me personally I

1572
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mean I could tell you one that's easy to

1573
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tell briefly back about 1953 I was in

1574
01:10:59,660 --> 01:10:57,329
Miami and that era the skies were

1575
01:11:02,450 --> 01:10:59,670
clearer than they are now there was less

1576
01:11:04,729 --> 01:11:02,460
pollution and so on and one night I had

1577
01:11:07,370 --> 01:11:04,739
nothing to do so I just looked at the

1578
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:07,380
sky for a couple of hours and something

1579
01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:09,690
I've never done before since I was just

1580
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:12,960
very bored and on a weird trip there you

1581
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:16,410
might say you notice that the star

1582
01:11:23,810 --> 01:11:20,690
appear to be in groups of four five six

1583
01:11:25,460 --> 01:11:23,820
roughly the same brightness I mean it's

1584
01:11:26,900 --> 01:11:25,470
just an illusion but that's how they

1585
01:11:30,530 --> 01:11:26,910
look when you look at the sky

1586
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:30,540
so I finally focused on one group let's

1587
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:33,210
say of five I'm not sure but I'd say

1588
01:11:37,850 --> 01:11:35,850
five I'm looking at it and I just

1589
01:11:40,610 --> 01:11:37,860
playing a game with myself I said you

1590
01:11:43,310 --> 01:11:40,620
know one of those lights could be a

1591
01:11:46,220 --> 01:11:43,320
flying saucer but if it was in a

1592
01:11:47,540 --> 01:11:46,230
formation like that with stars I mean I

1593
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:47,550
wouldn't know the difference it would

1594
01:11:52,730 --> 01:11:49,920
look just like a star and at the very

1595
01:11:54,830 --> 01:11:52,740
moment that I thought that one of the

1596
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:54,840
stars took off in a straight line

1597
01:11:59,900 --> 01:11:57,690
slightly downward and disappeared behind

1598
01:12:03,290 --> 01:11:59,910
the building the end let's go to

1599
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:03,300
question number five who do you believe

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01:12:08,690 --> 01:12:06,210
are some real heroes and villains of the

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phenomena people who have truthfully

1602
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:10,830
tried to investigate the phenomena not

1603
01:12:15,530 --> 01:12:13,290
for personal gain and also some who have

1604
01:12:18,350 --> 01:12:15,540
been poison to the field either by

1605
01:12:20,750 --> 01:12:18,360
trading on complete lies or retelling

1606
01:12:24,530 --> 01:12:20,760
the lies of others okay the hero number

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one well gene you know not to avoid it

1608
01:12:28,940 --> 01:12:26,490
but you could do this better I was just

1609
01:12:30,710 --> 01:12:28,950
looking the other day and I've put them

1610
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:30,720
in a file that eventually will

1611
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:33,600
self-destruct but a couple of years is

1612
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:35,730
very nice the typewriter the Graybar car

1613
01:12:41,570 --> 01:12:38,370
destroyed okay you you you made a

1614
01:12:44,540 --> 01:12:41,580
detailed list of the Hall of Shame

1615
01:12:46,850 --> 01:12:44,550
and the whole thing oh okay what you're

1616
01:12:49,580 --> 01:12:46,860
talking about here is for awhile we

1617
01:12:53,810 --> 01:12:49,590
managed a site originally run by Royce

1618
01:12:56,510 --> 01:12:53,820
Myers called UFO watchdog calm no Myers

1619
01:12:59,180 --> 01:12:56,520
has since taken back that site and we're

1620
01:13:01,310 --> 01:12:59,190
now engaged in starting yet another one

1621
01:13:03,260 --> 01:13:01,320
and we're working with some of the

1622
01:13:06,260 --> 01:13:03,270
people in our forums we have a designer

1623
01:13:06,890 --> 01:13:06,270
so the answer is it's not my heroes and

1624
01:13:09,530 --> 01:13:06,900
villains

1625
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:09,540
it is what Royce Myers created we'll go

1626
01:13:14,570 --> 01:13:12,090
for the okay alright yeah go the UFO

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01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:14,580
watchdog calm and you'll see the

1628
01:13:19,250 --> 01:13:17,010
archived event ok and just a final

1629
01:13:21,140 --> 01:13:19,260
comment from Gordon I like Jim

1630
01:13:23,660 --> 01:13:21,150
especially for having a real sense of

1631
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:23,670
humor while still actively promoting the

1632
01:13:29,990 --> 01:13:26,370
field as opposed to Samos seem to take

1633
01:13:32,570 --> 01:13:30,000
themselves way too seriously he's a fan

1634
01:13:37,430 --> 01:13:32,580
that's very nice okay we now have

1635
01:13:41,450 --> 01:13:37,440
messages from JT I have no idea who JT

1636
01:13:43,010 --> 01:13:41,460
is okay so that makes all three of us

1637
01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:43,020
here because Chris doesn't know either

1638
01:13:47,930 --> 01:13:45,450
as much as I like Jim's greatest hits

1639
01:13:49,550 --> 01:13:47,940
and boy are they great I'd like to hear

1640
01:13:52,460 --> 01:13:49,560
his thoughts on some less obvious

1641
01:13:55,550 --> 01:13:52,470
subjects so let's lay a few on you here

1642
01:13:58,790 --> 01:13:55,560
what is your estimation of the role of

1643
01:14:00,830 --> 01:13:58,800
human consciousness towards UFOs do you

1644
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:00,840
think there's anything to the idea of

1645
01:14:07,460 --> 01:14:03,090
TOPAS and thought-forms look what that

1646
01:14:10,910 --> 01:14:07,470
last part is what our thought forms well

1647
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:10,920
I'm not sure how to define those things

1648
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:14,130
but III can certainly say that there is

1649
01:14:21,140 --> 01:14:17,730
indeed a link between the human mind and

1650
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:21,150
and UFOs in some cases and I can't just

1651
01:14:26,630 --> 01:14:23,850
think of in detail offhand but it seems

1652
01:14:29,690 --> 01:14:26,640
absolutely certain that something

1653
01:14:32,660 --> 01:14:29,700
strange is going on the easiest type of

1654
01:14:35,540 --> 01:14:32,670
thing to use as an example is missing

1655
01:14:37,970 --> 01:14:35,550
time quite a number of people that have

1656
01:14:41,210 --> 01:14:37,980
had especially close sightings of

1657
01:14:44,150 --> 01:14:41,220
saucers and they tell you their story

1658
01:14:48,230 --> 01:14:44,160
and it makes sense but at the end they

1659
01:14:52,490 --> 01:14:48,240
say oh by the way I got home an hour

1660
01:14:54,470 --> 01:14:52,500
later but I thought it was an hour later

1661
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:54,480
but it was actually three hours later I

1662
01:14:59,840 --> 01:14:57,050
can't account for the other two hours

1663
01:15:02,210 --> 01:14:59,850
that kind of thing is very common so

1664
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:02,220
there's something weird going on there

1665
01:15:08,930 --> 01:15:05,130
it is they could all be line but it is

1666
01:15:11,300 --> 01:15:08,940
one of the more common descriptions of a

1667
01:15:12,830 --> 01:15:11,310
flying saucer sighting certainly that

1668
01:15:14,390 --> 01:15:12,840
might be some kind of strange mental

1669
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:14,400
process we have more questions by the

1670
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way and we're getting them from forum

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dot the podcast calm we've got a special

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message board there called the question

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01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:23,610
Bank and when we know a guest is going

1674
01:15:27,740 --> 01:15:25,650
to be on we pose the questions we have

1675
01:15:30,170 --> 01:15:27,750
Jim Mosely editor publisher and chief

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sounds like when a burglar kicks in the

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door of a dark house that looks like no

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make it look like someone is home

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is a small electronic device that makes

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from outside it looks like someone is

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home watching TV fake TV plugs in just

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like a lamp on a timer

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but as far more convincing to burglars

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fake TV deters burglars cost far less

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hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

1776
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listening to the Peres cast

1777
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we have Jim Mosely editor of saucers

1778
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:11,450
smear with Jean and Chris on the para

1779
01:20:16,180 --> 01:20:14,090
cast when Jim is on the show it's a

1780
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special event always and we've got more

1781
01:20:21,850 --> 01:20:19,550
questions from JT okay are you

1782
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interested in other areas of 40 in

1783
01:20:27,940 --> 01:20:24,440
studies besides UFOs cryptozoology

1784
01:20:30,010 --> 01:20:27,950
ghosts etc if so could you share some of

1785
01:20:33,790 --> 01:20:30,020
your views and thoughts on any of these

1786
01:20:36,700 --> 01:20:33,800
yeah that's interesting each thing is a

1787
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:36,710
little different I would say in general

1788
01:20:43,780 --> 01:20:41,810
I am interested in all 14 phenomena most

1789
01:20:46,270 --> 01:20:43,790
of them I don't know a whole lot about

1790
01:20:50,770 --> 01:20:46,280
because I haven't spent a lot of time I

1791
01:20:54,730 --> 01:20:50,780
like I have on saucers and my degree of

1792
01:20:58,090 --> 01:20:54,740
belief in the different ones differs for

1793
01:21:00,430 --> 01:20:58,100
instance you have Bigfoot now if you add

1794
01:21:04,390 --> 01:21:00,440
it all together even in some of the

1795
01:21:06,550 --> 01:21:04,400
movies and so on our faith there have

1796
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:06,560
been apparently a lot of close up

1797
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:08,810
sightings of Bigfoot in the United

1798
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:10,730
States in different areas over the years

1799
01:21:16,780 --> 01:21:12,290
there's just one problem

1800
01:21:18,670 --> 01:21:16,790
I would really believe that there's

1801
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:18,680
something behind all that because it

1802
01:21:24,340 --> 01:21:21,170
just happens too often except it took me

1803
01:21:28,090 --> 01:21:24,350
quite a while to figure this out but all

1804
01:21:31,060 --> 01:21:28,100
living things die and if this foot is

1805
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:31,070
this he didn't must die so occasionally

1806
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:34,970
you've got to find a skeleton of a dead

1807
01:21:40,180 --> 01:21:37,730
Bigfoot and if you never find one

1808
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:40,190
there's a problem either he doesn't

1809
01:21:46,900 --> 01:21:43,970
exist after all or as the late Eric

1810
01:21:49,420 --> 01:21:46,910
Becker used to say and you may probably

1811
01:21:50,830 --> 01:21:49,430
remember him yesterday and waits a long

1812
01:21:53,860 --> 01:21:50,840
story I don't want to get into that

1813
01:21:57,010 --> 01:21:53,870
right now okay I thought at the time he

1814
01:22:00,520 --> 01:21:57,020
was out of his mind or putting us on or

1815
01:22:04,270 --> 01:22:00,530
both but he insisted that they thought

1816
01:22:07,570 --> 01:22:04,280
is 4d he's in the 3d world some of the

1817
01:22:10,750 --> 01:22:07,580
time and at other times he's not well

1818
01:22:12,490 --> 01:22:10,760
that sounds pretty crazy but I almost

1819
01:22:14,890 --> 01:22:12,500
have to go for that because the

1820
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:14,900
sightings seem real and there's nobody's

1821
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:16,250
so how do you explain it

1822
01:22:19,490 --> 01:22:18,050
let's go to the next question here we

1823
01:22:21,140 --> 01:22:19,500
have a lot and I don't even

1824
01:22:23,300 --> 01:22:21,150
think where they get to all of them okay

1825
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:23,310
we're not gonna get yeah I would be

1826
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:26,010
interested in your reaction to what I

1827
01:22:30,770 --> 01:22:28,650
say do you think that makes any sense

1828
01:22:32,900 --> 01:22:30,780
Chris you're the guy who does the field

1829
01:22:34,670 --> 01:22:32,910
research what do you think well it does

1830
01:22:36,740 --> 01:22:34,680
make sense to me Jim it's one of my

1831
01:22:39,890 --> 01:22:36,750
arguments that I've been using over the

1832
01:22:41,870 --> 01:22:39,900
years to the proponents of Bigfoot being

1833
01:22:44,390 --> 01:22:41,880
it will flesh and blood

1834
01:22:46,490 --> 01:22:44,400
undiscovered kudzu logical creature I

1835
01:22:48,230 --> 01:22:46,500
think that there is quite a bit of

1836
01:22:51,890 --> 01:22:48,240
evidence to suggest that he does have

1837
01:22:54,170 --> 01:22:51,900
some sort of ability to teleport or to

1838
01:22:56,510 --> 01:22:54,180
appear and disappear we have cases where

1839
01:22:58,550 --> 01:22:56,520
tracks appear out of nowhere go for a

1840
01:23:02,540 --> 01:22:58,560
distance and then disappear like to

1841
01:23:05,030 --> 01:23:02,550
evander so that would again bolster more

1842
01:23:07,340 --> 01:23:05,040
of a paranormal definition of Bigfoot

1843
01:23:09,220 --> 01:23:07,350
yeah well I think right that he is able

1844
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:09,230
to manifest in these three-dimensional

1845
01:23:14,420 --> 01:23:11,970
and the three-dimensional reality okay

1846
01:23:17,030 --> 01:23:14,430
very good we agree all right okay

1847
01:23:18,830 --> 01:23:17,040
question number three from JT what do

1848
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:18,840
you personally enjoy doing when you're

1849
01:23:23,030 --> 01:23:21,090
not knee-deep in ufology a Cuban cigar

1850
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:23,040
of course Jim lives you know in Florida

1851
01:23:28,570 --> 01:23:25,650
a pint of Guinness a good book or

1852
01:23:31,850 --> 01:23:28,580
something else or is it still vat 69

1853
01:23:33,860 --> 01:23:31,860
whiskey well that's very interesting

1854
01:23:37,130 --> 01:23:33,870
that's my addition to the question the

1855
01:23:38,990 --> 01:23:37,140
last part well a Cuban cigar I think

1856
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:39,000
that would probably get me in more

1857
01:23:45,020 --> 01:23:41,280
trouble than drugs or something because

1858
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:45,030
of the insane embargo against anything

1859
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:47,970
Cuban so you could have fake or

1860
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:51,090
imitation Cuban cigars but it's a highly

1861
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:53,730
illegal to import them and so naturally

1862
01:23:58,730 --> 01:23:56,370
I don't smoke cigars anyhow but if I did

1863
01:24:03,170 --> 01:23:58,740
I'd make sure they weren't doing what

1864
01:24:06,140 --> 01:24:03,180
else were the choices are oh about 69

1865
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:06,150
that's interesting I used to drink that

1866
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:10,650
69 Scotch because it the name I guess we

1867
01:24:15,140 --> 01:24:12,810
can't really explain this on the air but

1868
01:24:17,270 --> 01:24:15,150
the name has some kind of a sexual

1869
01:24:20,570 --> 01:24:17,280
connotation that some people put to it

1870
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:20,580
and I thought it was rather amusing that

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01:24:24,940 --> 01:24:22,530
there should be a brand with that name I

1872
01:24:27,950 --> 01:24:24,950
still don't quite know why there is but

1873
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:27,960
in recent years I have changed

1874
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:31,410
permanently to old smuggler and I think

1875
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:33,090
the connotation there is

1876
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:36,489
because Jimmy is an old smuggler well I

1877
01:24:41,820 --> 01:24:39,370
was a young smuggler and now I'm an old

1878
01:24:44,460 --> 01:24:41,830
person who used to be a smuggler

1879
01:24:46,830 --> 01:24:44,470
I just always wished somebody would ask

1880
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:46,840
me why do you drink that and then I

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01:24:51,210 --> 01:24:48,610
would tell them but I hate to just you

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01:24:53,490 --> 01:24:51,220
know stop I stopped somebody on the

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01:24:56,190 --> 01:24:53,500
street and say do you know why I drink

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01:24:58,050 --> 01:24:56,200
little smuggler so very few people know

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01:25:00,420 --> 01:24:58,060
about it well someday I think we have

1886
01:25:02,610 --> 01:25:00,430
Jim tell you about his archeological

1887
01:25:05,190 --> 01:25:02,620
digs in any case we've got more

1888
01:25:07,260 --> 01:25:05,200
questions we've got sentry now sentry

1889
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:07,270
has an avatar that looks like the

1890
01:25:11,010 --> 01:25:08,770
creature from earth vs. the flying

1891
01:25:12,930 --> 01:25:11,020
saucers and it's kind of funny because I

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01:25:16,170 --> 01:25:12,940
mentioned that earth vs. the flying

1893
01:25:18,060 --> 01:25:16,180
saucers was a 1957 film the special

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01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:18,070
effects by a special effects wizard by

1895
01:25:23,100 --> 01:25:21,370
the name of Ray Harryhausen but what

1896
01:25:26,430 --> 01:25:23,110
they did here and this was the biggest

1897
01:25:28,740 --> 01:25:26,440
embarrassment they bought the rights to

1898
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:28,750
one of major Kehoe's books and they

1899
01:25:33,300 --> 01:25:31,090
created a grade B science fiction

1900
01:25:38,220 --> 01:25:33,310
thriller from one of Kehoe's books he

1901
01:25:40,410 --> 01:25:38,230
was eternally embarrassed on earth vs.

1902
01:25:42,750 --> 01:25:40,420
the flying saucers I've heard of that

1903
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:42,760
and I may have seen it I didn't know it

1904
01:25:45,900 --> 01:25:44,770
had anything to do with Kehoe if you

1905
01:25:49,830 --> 01:25:45,910
look at the Raddatz

1906
01:25:51,540 --> 01:25:49,840
it was suggested or based on one of

1907
01:25:53,460 --> 01:25:51,550
Kehoe's books they bought the rights

1908
01:25:55,350 --> 01:25:53,470
hollywood and of course they just made a

1909
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:55,360
fiction movie of course yeah kind of the

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01:25:58,950 --> 01:25:56,530
same thing was done with Close

1911
01:26:00,930 --> 01:25:58,960
Encounters of the Third Kind in dealing

1912
01:26:03,450 --> 01:26:00,940
with dr. J Allen Hynek but the movie was

1913
01:26:05,370 --> 01:26:03,460
very serious now here's the point the

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01:26:08,780 --> 01:26:05,380
reason I mentioned that something from

1915
01:26:12,450 --> 01:26:08,790
the 50s and because centuries icon is

1916
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:12,460
from this film here's his question from

1917
01:26:16,860 --> 01:26:15,010
century during your cross country UFO

1918
01:26:19,440 --> 01:26:16,870
research trip in the early 50s

1919
01:26:22,170 --> 01:26:19,450
you met just about everyone from hoaxers

1920
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:22,180
to Project Blue Book people who did you

1921
01:26:28,440 --> 01:26:26,290
find the most believable okay I'll tell

1922
01:26:32,729 --> 01:26:28,450
you this is one of my favorite stories

1923
01:26:35,550 --> 01:26:32,739
Clyde Tombaugh dr. fried time obviously

1924
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:35,560
he must have had a PhD he was a

1925
01:26:42,540 --> 01:26:39,250
respected physicist that lived in New

1926
01:26:45,330 --> 01:26:42,550
Mexico and he is remembered still today

1927
01:26:46,500 --> 01:26:45,340
because he was the discoverer of the

1928
01:26:49,050 --> 01:26:46,510
planet Pluto

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01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:49,060
by the way he is now embarrassed because

1930
01:26:54,210 --> 01:26:51,850
there's no longer a planet well it's big

1931
01:26:56,670 --> 01:26:54,220
luckily they waited till after he died

1932
01:26:58,470 --> 01:26:56,680
he only died recently and now it's a

1933
01:27:00,450 --> 01:26:58,480
planetoid because they found there's a

1934
01:27:03,030 --> 01:27:00,460
lot of others that are about the same

1935
01:27:06,300 --> 01:27:03,040
size but he was given I mean that was a

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01:27:10,470 --> 01:27:06,310
big prestigious thing for years he had

1937
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:10,480
that prestige behind him and so he was

1938
01:27:15,540 --> 01:27:13,210
one of the people I wanted to meet and I

1939
01:27:18,660 --> 01:27:15,550
forget what city it was that he had a

1940
01:27:21,540 --> 01:27:18,670
nice home with his wife in a suburb of

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01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:21,550
whichever New Mexico City it was and my

1942
01:27:27,060 --> 01:27:24,370
reason to visit him was not because of

1943
01:27:30,210 --> 01:27:27,070
Pluto but because he had been written

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01:27:33,300 --> 01:27:30,220
out probably in Saturday Evening Post

1945
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:33,310
and elsewhere he had a well publicized

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01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:36,970
sighting all in three or four years I

1947
01:27:42,860 --> 01:27:39,010
would say before I got there so sometime

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01:27:46,860 --> 01:27:42,870
around 1950 and I got there in 53 and

1949
01:27:50,940 --> 01:27:46,870
this as I remember it very briefly it

1950
01:27:53,220 --> 01:27:50,950
was a simple thing this silent sort of

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01:27:58,410 --> 01:27:53,230
tear-shaped singing or organ let's say

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01:28:02,550 --> 01:27:58,420
round but elongated flew silently over

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01:28:05,190 --> 01:28:02,560
his home at night and it had square

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01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:05,200
lights on the side that looks like

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01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:08,050
portholes or windows and it just went

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01:28:14,580 --> 01:28:11,050
over in a few seconds and kept going and

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01:28:17,220 --> 01:28:14,590
it did nothing and that is a UFO if I

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01:28:19,500 --> 01:28:17,230
ever heard of one and I think the man

1959
01:28:23,460 --> 01:28:19,510
telling the story deserves to be

1960
01:28:25,650 --> 01:28:23,470
believed and I had read this but I got a

1961
01:28:28,170 --> 01:28:25,660
kick out of meeting him and hearing the

1962
01:28:30,090 --> 01:28:28,180
story from his own lips and I was big on

1963
01:28:33,810 --> 01:28:30,100
the interplanetary theory in those days

1964
01:28:37,050 --> 01:28:33,820
and I kept trying to get him to say so I

1965
01:28:40,020 --> 01:28:37,060
could quoted that they the thing he saw

1966
01:28:41,850 --> 01:28:40,030
was probably from another planet but he

1967
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:41,860
was a scientist and I don't blame him he

1968
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:44,890
kept saying I said I don't know what it

1969
01:28:49,950 --> 01:28:46,930
was it could have been from anywhere I'm

1970
01:28:52,980 --> 01:28:49,960
just telling you what I saw and that was

1971
01:28:58,230 --> 01:28:52,990
a kid uh-huh I didn't kick you out

1972
01:29:00,390 --> 01:28:58,240
either no it was very nice man well you

1973
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:00,400
know that was I think a lot

1974
01:29:04,399 --> 01:29:02,770
fun had to be a lot of fun I wish I was

1975
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:04,409
in the position where I was in the 20s

1976
01:29:10,260 --> 01:29:07,690
where I had to basically work hard for a

1977
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:10,270
living at a radio station and do my UFO

1978
01:29:15,510 --> 01:29:12,250
stuff on the side you traveled around

1979
01:29:18,450 --> 01:29:15,520
the country I think that was just one of

1980
01:29:21,540 --> 01:29:18,460
the most wonderful things that well IIIi

1981
01:29:25,050 --> 01:29:21,550
was very lucky because to put it briefly

1982
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:25,060
and to the point I was interested in the

1983
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subjects I had the time and the money to

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do it and that's the key the key is we

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have Jim Mosely editor of saucer smear

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you are listening to the barricade

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with gene and Chris we have Jim Mosely

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we are answering your questions sent to

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power cast calm we have centuries

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questions there's more just a few more

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front and center and we've got more to

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ask here okay Jim how have you been able

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to maintain friendships over the decades

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with people ranging from wild contactees

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to rabid debunkers so you know you were

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friendly with phil class you were

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friendly with dr. frank strangers a

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contact e well I don't know quite how to

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begin answering that I would say that

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sorceress Miller takes a irreverent

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attitude toward almost everybody even

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the people that agree with me so if

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there's somebody that has been mentioned

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in in my magazine and of who I somehow

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get the opportunity to correspond with

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or to meet if they are not offended and

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are pleasant

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maybe easygoing type of person I can be

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friends with them for a period of time

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and and and there's no problem

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I remember Frank as strangers is a very

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good example because his stuff was

2121
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ridiculous it was all biblical harangues

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of various sorts and I never read a word

2123
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that he wrote and at the end of his life

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he it was a kind of a sad thing he was

2125
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in very bad health had heart trouble and

2126
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he was also trying to sell to the movie

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industry a what would we say a outline

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of a book in other words have them buy

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01:35:52,330 --> 01:35:49,790
the rights to his book stranger at the

2130
01:35:57,780 --> 01:35:52,340
Pentagon that was his best-selling book

2131
01:36:00,910 --> 01:35:57,790
and his father they bore huh I think or

2132
01:36:04,300 --> 01:36:00,920
can and I wouldn't doesn't it oh you big

2133
01:36:09,189 --> 01:36:04,310
nail it was validated the the stranger

2134
01:36:09,970 --> 01:36:09,199
at the Pentagon sure valve or I'm sorry

2135
01:36:13,210 --> 01:36:09,980
I can't

2136
01:36:14,620 --> 01:36:13,220
we understand that's wrong but it's

2137
01:36:15,130 --> 01:36:14,630
pretty bad but thanks for hanging with

2138
01:36:19,690 --> 01:36:15,140
me

2139
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:19,700
wealth or and and office ugly just a few

2140
01:36:26,740 --> 01:36:23,170
months before he died he sent me three

2141
01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:26,750
posters roughly a yard square a color

2142
01:36:33,070 --> 01:36:30,530
posters of al Thor's ship and it's a

2143
01:36:36,610 --> 01:36:33,080
round ship I guess it has only one floor

2144
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:36,620
and it shows the crews the quarters

2145
01:36:42,550 --> 01:36:39,650
Val Thoris quarters the library but this

2146
01:36:45,340 --> 01:36:42,560
room of that room and the thing I like

2147
01:36:47,350 --> 01:36:45,350
best was the Bell so his quarters took

2148
01:36:50,110 --> 01:36:47,360
up about half of the whole floor and

2149
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:50,120
everybody else had to be squeezed into a

2150
01:36:56,650 --> 01:36:53,690
tight space but anyway yeah he he must

2151
01:36:59,890 --> 01:36:56,660
have realized he was just stroking the

2152
01:37:01,930 --> 01:36:59,900
fan or whatever he was doing and I don't

2153
01:37:03,910 --> 01:37:01,940
think he took himself terribly seriously

2154
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:03,920
but he did try to make a living in

2155
01:37:09,130 --> 01:37:07,370
different ways and he succeeded and he

2156
01:37:12,430 --> 01:37:09,140
had I were very good friends and toward

2157
01:37:14,890 --> 01:37:12,440
the end he started sending 50 $100 at a

2158
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:14,900
time for sorceress me well I'm just

2159
01:37:20,740 --> 01:37:16,730
saying he made money from flying saucers

2160
01:37:24,010 --> 01:37:20,750
very few do well he had a lot of hats he

2161
01:37:27,180 --> 01:37:24,020
was on some kind of a pseudo interstate

2162
01:37:32,020 --> 01:37:27,190
the police thing he was some kind of

2163
01:37:35,140 --> 01:37:32,030
perhaps fake immigration officer he was

2164
01:37:39,070 --> 01:37:35,150
a head of some religious coalition I

2165
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:39,080
mean he had letterheads and had to go

2166
01:37:43,090 --> 01:37:41,210
for three or four different professions

2167
01:37:46,420 --> 01:37:43,100
and I guess he made something out of all

2168
01:37:50,020 --> 01:37:46,430
of them there you go another question

2169
01:37:52,420 --> 01:37:50,030
from century what nonsense has been

2170
01:37:56,020 --> 01:37:52,430
attached or blamed on flying saucers

2171
01:37:58,510 --> 01:37:56,030
besides fitted windshields I guess he's

2172
01:38:01,330 --> 01:37:58,520
looking for the really crazy conveying

2173
01:38:04,180 --> 01:38:01,340
well explanations well well petia

2174
01:38:07,300 --> 01:38:04,190
painted windshields having to be a

2175
01:38:10,540 --> 01:38:07,310
different subject but it did get sucked

2176
01:38:14,290 --> 01:38:10,550
into the saucer syndrome back in the

2177
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:14,300
early 50s and that was windshields of

2178
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:18,170
cars and also television screens that

2179
01:38:23,380 --> 01:38:21,530
suddenly would just pop out and end up

2180
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:23,390
with a zillion

2181
01:38:28,650 --> 01:38:25,850
of tiny cracks so that you know you

2182
01:38:32,250 --> 01:38:28,660
could throw the whole thing away and

2183
01:38:34,750 --> 01:38:32,260
flying saucers were for whatever reason

2184
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:34,760
connected with this but this is one of

2185
01:38:39,820 --> 01:38:37,250
the sub mysteries that was properly

2186
01:38:43,390 --> 01:38:39,830
solved within a couple of years and that

2187
01:38:47,770 --> 01:38:43,400
was it was a question of tension on the

2188
01:38:50,530 --> 01:38:47,780
edges of certain not circular but of

2189
01:38:53,580 --> 01:38:50,540
curved glass and you have curved glass

2190
01:38:56,530 --> 01:38:53,590
in a windshield or or a TV set and

2191
01:38:58,900 --> 01:38:56,540
eventually the under whatever conditions

2192
01:39:01,360 --> 01:38:58,910
lead the strain on the edges becomes too

2193
01:39:04,090 --> 01:39:01,370
much and it explodes like that all of a

2194
01:39:06,700 --> 01:39:04,100
sudden I had it happen to my TV set and

2195
01:39:09,490 --> 01:39:06,710
and when I was living up up in New

2196
01:39:11,710 --> 01:39:09,500
Jersey and the repairman the king you

2197
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:11,720
don't get that anymore but he came and

2198
01:39:17,140 --> 01:39:14,810
he said somebody threw something at this

2199
01:39:19,420 --> 01:39:17,150
and I said no he didn't I live a long

2200
01:39:22,390 --> 01:39:19,430
and nobody threw anything and I was

2201
01:39:25,060 --> 01:39:22,400
pissed off because he was making a point

2202
01:39:27,010 --> 01:39:25,070
of it and maybe six months or a year

2203
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:27,020
later the same thing happened and

2204
01:39:32,350 --> 01:39:29,770
strangely the same guy came and he

2205
01:39:34,630 --> 01:39:32,360
apologized because in the meantime he'd

2206
01:39:37,420 --> 01:39:34,640
found that he had found out how these

2207
01:39:39,850 --> 01:39:37,430
things happened and now you know ladies

2208
01:39:41,950 --> 01:39:39,860
and gentlemen the rest of the story

2209
01:39:43,570 --> 01:39:41,960
become more questions for Jim believe it

2210
01:39:45,550 --> 01:39:43,580
or not we're not running out of

2211
01:39:47,440 --> 01:39:45,560
questions here and this was only posted

2212
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:47,450
a few hours before we did the recording

2213
01:39:53,620 --> 01:39:50,810
session okay amazing yeah how do you

2214
01:39:56,740 --> 01:39:53,630
think UFOs should be studied and who's

2215
01:39:59,800 --> 01:39:56,750
come the closest to quote getting it

2216
01:40:01,300 --> 01:39:59,810
right well probably nobody as far as I'm

2217
01:40:05,140 --> 01:40:01,310
concerned yeah well they should be

2218
01:40:07,240 --> 01:40:05,150
studied in a totally different way that

2219
01:40:10,510 --> 01:40:07,250
they never have been studied the closest

2220
01:40:13,660 --> 01:40:10,520
was the condom the committee was there a

2221
01:40:16,090 --> 01:40:13,670
report came out in what in a 69 or

2222
01:40:18,490 --> 01:40:16,100
something I'm not sure the exact year

2223
01:40:21,400 --> 01:40:18,500
but they were biased and they did

2224
01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:21,410
everything wrong and it was underfunded

2225
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:25,250
for a proper investigation and the whole

2226
01:40:32,460 --> 01:40:29,050
thing was going along on useless

2227
01:40:35,050 --> 01:40:32,470
something much bigger properly funded by

2228
01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:35,060
open-minded scientists with with the

2229
01:40:39,490 --> 01:40:36,650
right equipment we have

2230
01:40:42,340 --> 01:40:39,500
so much sophisticated equipment now that

2231
01:40:43,959 --> 01:40:42,350
you can see a ghost if there are any and

2232
01:40:46,090 --> 01:40:43,969
you can do all kinds of things that

2233
01:40:49,720 --> 01:40:46,100
couldn't be done just a few years ago

2234
01:40:52,209 --> 01:40:49,730
and if you had a group of properly

2235
01:40:55,390 --> 01:40:52,219
qualified scientists with real degrees

2236
01:40:57,040 --> 01:40:55,400
of real money and real open minds you

2237
01:40:59,649 --> 01:40:57,050
couldn't help but sell this in a few

2238
01:41:01,720 --> 01:40:59,659
years but do you think it's possible and

2239
01:41:04,810 --> 01:41:01,730
this is not the question that was a

2240
01:41:07,260 --> 01:41:04,820
spell propose it that maybe some people

2241
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:07,270
in the government have already done that

2242
01:41:15,060 --> 01:41:11,810
no no not on that scale now we talked

2243
01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:15,070
about it I think on the air once dr.

2244
01:41:21,450 --> 01:41:18,770
Alexander's look very well convinced me

2245
01:41:24,850 --> 01:41:21,460
otherwise he he and a small group of

2246
01:41:30,280 --> 01:41:24,860
insiders went around at a certain period

2247
01:41:32,050 --> 01:41:30,290
of time to speak to the higher-ups in

2248
01:41:36,130 --> 01:41:32,060
many different branches of government

2249
01:41:38,470 --> 01:41:36,140
and what they came out with was there

2250
01:41:41,310 --> 01:41:38,480
was no branch everybody said you know

2251
01:41:43,810 --> 01:41:41,320
there probably is a secret sauce or

2252
01:41:45,669 --> 01:41:43,820
investigation but it's not us it's got

2253
01:41:49,180 --> 01:41:45,679
to be somebody else and everybody said

2254
01:41:52,270 --> 01:41:49,190
that so the final verdict was there

2255
01:41:55,689 --> 01:41:52,280
wasn't any such thing and that it's told

2256
01:41:57,610 --> 01:41:55,699
in much better detail but I I believe

2257
01:42:00,790 --> 01:41:57,620
that I really don't think there is

2258
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:00,800
anything that big going on it would have

2259
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:04,010
to be greatly funded now there is a huge

2260
01:42:09,939 --> 01:42:08,090
block budget every year and you can hide

2261
01:42:12,580 --> 01:42:09,949
almost anything there but I just don't

2262
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:12,590
think it's happening all right I'm gonna

2263
01:42:16,209 --> 01:42:14,210
ask a question that maybe you can't

2264
01:42:17,979 --> 01:42:16,219
answer maybe there is a security

2265
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:17,989
clearance involved in this question

2266
01:42:24,250 --> 01:42:20,810
let's ask it okay oh okay are you ready

2267
01:42:34,240 --> 01:42:24,260
for this government agencies are

2268
01:42:37,209 --> 01:42:34,250
officers receive saucer smear no the

2269
01:42:41,919 --> 01:42:37,219
only one I can think of offhand and this

2270
01:42:42,490 --> 01:42:41,929
will tell you Kevin Randall he no I take

2271
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:42,500
it back

2272
01:42:47,260 --> 01:42:44,570
I kicked him off the list a couple years

2273
01:42:50,140 --> 01:42:47,270
ago but because he wouldn't pay and he

2274
01:42:50,330 --> 01:42:50,150
had a bad attitude so he doesn't get it

2275
01:42:55,720 --> 01:42:50,340
he

2276
01:42:58,839 --> 01:42:55,730
of who is definitely a government person

2277
01:43:03,770 --> 01:42:58,849
but I'm sure there must be a few others

2278
01:43:06,830 --> 01:43:03,780
the key to being a spy is is not to let

2279
01:43:08,990 --> 01:43:06,840
people know who you are so if a

2280
01:43:10,310 --> 01:43:09,000
government agent wanted to get on the

2281
01:43:13,100 --> 01:43:10,320
list I don't think it would be very

2282
01:43:15,109 --> 01:43:13,110
difficult they wouldn't have to use

2283
01:43:16,970 --> 01:43:15,119
their rank and serial number they just

2284
01:43:19,339 --> 01:43:16,980
write in as a personal sense of money

2285
01:43:20,780 --> 01:43:19,349
and and they're on the list in fact if

2286
01:43:21,080 --> 01:43:20,790
they send money it doesn't matter who

2287
01:43:25,609 --> 01:43:21,090
they are

2288
01:43:28,040 --> 01:43:25,619
yeah I really have no feeling against

2289
01:43:30,290 --> 01:43:28,050
German agents just got into a little

2290
01:43:32,300 --> 01:43:30,300
personality thing there with random

2291
01:43:36,979 --> 01:43:32,310
maybe maybe we should kiss and make up

2292
01:43:39,470 --> 01:43:36,989
on on the show that you have quoted I'm

2293
01:43:43,300 --> 01:43:39,480
curious how does Kevin Randall fit into

2294
01:43:47,990 --> 01:43:43,310
that question right we're like he is a

2295
01:43:49,640 --> 01:43:48,000
well he is an intelligence agent among

2296
01:43:53,390 --> 01:43:49,650
other things he says so right in the

2297
01:43:57,439 --> 01:43:53,400
back cover of this book he was a

2298
01:44:00,709 --> 01:43:57,449
intelligence officer in either Iraq or

2299
01:44:02,060 --> 01:44:00,719
Afghanistan and I think Iraq yeah I do

2300
01:44:04,120 --> 01:44:02,070
remember that he was in the Army I

2301
01:44:11,660 --> 01:44:04,130
didn't realize he was in intelligence

2302
01:44:14,629 --> 01:44:11,670
yeah so so so was a Oh Bill Miller

2303
01:44:17,899 --> 01:44:14,639
sidekick Dodi what was Dodie's first

2304
01:44:19,339 --> 01:44:17,909
name Cody I'll tell you we don't want to

2305
01:44:20,120 --> 01:44:19,349
get into the Richard Doty if you get

2306
01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:20,130
Richard Doty

2307
01:44:26,270 --> 01:44:24,690
might come on the show eventually

2308
01:44:28,250 --> 01:44:26,280
although not in our lifetimes

2309
01:44:31,070 --> 01:44:28,260
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2310
01:44:35,009 --> 01:44:31,080
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2326
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:09,969
Anderson have you ever wondered why

2327
01:45:13,589 --> 01:45:12,010
banks stockbrokers investment advisors

2328
01:45:15,689 --> 01:45:13,599
won't talk about gold IRAs

2329
01:45:17,429 --> 01:45:15,699
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2330
01:45:18,989 --> 01:45:17,439
the financial industry won't recognize

2331
01:45:21,269 --> 01:45:18,999
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2332
01:45:23,429 --> 01:45:21,279
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2333
01:45:36,259 --> 01:45:23,439
yet no word about IRAs if you would like

2334
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:37,800
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2335
01:45:51,960 --> 01:45:47,650
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01:46:00,100 --> 01:45:51,970
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2337
01:46:04,540 --> 01:46:00,110
here's Jane Steinberg so we raised the

2338
01:46:05,980 --> 01:46:04,550
specter of Richard Doty with Jean and

2339
01:46:07,780 --> 01:46:05,990
Chris with Jim Mosely

2340
01:46:09,700 --> 01:46:07,790
and of course Richard Doty is another

2341
01:46:12,100 --> 01:46:09,710
one of those intelligence agents

2342
01:46:16,510 --> 01:46:12,110
quote-unquote allegedly does he get a

2343
01:46:18,220 --> 01:46:16,520
copy of saucer smear no III have never I

2344
01:46:21,580 --> 01:46:18,230
almost met him once

2345
01:46:24,580 --> 01:46:21,590
I was with with Carlock Dodie lives in

2346
01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:24,590
New Mexico as wafted and we went out for

2347
01:46:29,590 --> 01:46:26,690
a long drive one time and we went right

2348
01:46:31,500 --> 01:46:29,600
through the town where no he lived he

2349
01:46:35,290 --> 01:46:31,510
was out of the service then and was a

2350
01:46:37,090 --> 01:46:35,300
state trooper which is kind of funny cuz

2351
01:46:38,950 --> 01:46:37,100
that shows he couldn't have been up too

2352
01:46:41,500 --> 01:46:38,960
high in the government I don't think but

2353
01:46:43,390 --> 01:46:41,510
then again who knows anyway he was not

2354
01:46:46,030 --> 01:46:43,400
home that day and I talked to him on the

2355
01:46:49,810 --> 01:46:46,040
phone a couple of times I I think he

2356
01:46:54,220 --> 01:46:49,820
knows much less than I do about sauces

2357
01:46:56,020 --> 01:46:54,230
and that's pretty bad so basically you

2358
01:47:01,570 --> 01:46:56,030
think he's just making it all up right

2359
01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:01,580
well the worst thing you know it's way

2360
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:05,050
off this because he and more really a

2361
01:47:10,630 --> 01:47:08,330
persecuted that poor guy bennewitz

2362
01:47:13,990 --> 01:47:10,640
and that was cool what they did they

2363
01:47:15,520 --> 01:47:14,000
they literally drove him insane and and

2364
01:47:17,800 --> 01:47:15,530
he went to the nuthouse I don't know if

2365
01:47:19,960 --> 01:47:17,810
he died in that house but I mean they

2366
01:47:23,260 --> 01:47:19,970
were just playing with his mind I mean

2367
01:47:27,100 --> 01:47:23,270
those the more I think about it I hate

2368
01:47:32,020 --> 01:47:27,110
to say this bill Moore is not a positive

2369
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:32,030
force in the UFO field he he did the

2370
01:47:36,910 --> 01:47:33,770
book on the Philadelphia Experiment

2371
01:47:39,550 --> 01:47:36,920
which is the craziest concept I've ever

2372
01:47:42,070 --> 01:47:39,560
heard he did the book on Roswell that

2373
01:47:45,880 --> 01:47:42,080
started the whole nonsense here and he

2374
01:47:48,130 --> 01:47:45,890
also introduced the world to mj-12 and I

2375
01:47:50,200 --> 01:47:48,140
don't think he's done I don't think any

2376
01:47:55,060 --> 01:47:50,210
of those three things have done the

2377
01:47:55,950 --> 01:47:55,070
field any good all right areas where

2378
01:47:59,550 --> 01:47:55,960
none of us

2379
01:48:01,860 --> 01:47:59,560
disagree oh by the way more lives in

2380
01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:01,870
northern Florida now and we might get

2381
01:48:06,180 --> 01:48:04,570
together something well that will be a

2382
01:48:08,190 --> 01:48:06,190
special event ladies and gentlemen we

2383
01:48:10,350 --> 01:48:08,200
should call the media I'll alert the

2384
01:48:12,270 --> 01:48:10,360
media as someone said in a movie many

2385
01:48:14,760 --> 01:48:12,280
years ago right you don't remember what

2386
01:48:18,030 --> 01:48:14,770
movie do you know okay

2387
01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:18,040
Sir John Gielgud playing the butler in

2388
01:48:26,640 --> 01:48:22,570
the original version of our Arthur it

2389
01:48:29,630 --> 01:48:26,650
was a comedy film definitely more well

2390
01:48:31,260 --> 01:48:29,640
you are a movie trivia person and I

2391
01:48:33,690 --> 01:48:31,270
congratulate you on that

2392
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:33,700
I accept that remark and I resemble it

2393
01:48:37,920 --> 01:48:36,010
okay final comment from century thanks

2394
01:48:39,930 --> 01:48:37,930
for all you've done your numerous

2395
01:48:42,330 --> 01:48:39,940
legitimate contributions to the field

2396
01:48:44,459 --> 01:48:42,340
are often overshadowed by your

2397
01:48:48,150 --> 01:48:44,469
reputation as the court jester of

2398
01:48:51,390 --> 01:48:48,160
ufology but some of us get it well very

2399
01:48:53,640 --> 01:48:51,400
nice guy I really appreciate that I'll

2400
01:48:55,290 --> 01:48:53,650
take it we've got another few questions

2401
01:48:57,690 --> 01:48:55,300
here and we've got other questions for

2402
01:49:01,650 --> 01:48:57,700
you that Chris and I will make up on the

2403
01:49:03,300 --> 01:49:01,660
spot from Bergen and that's not the

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01:49:06,540 --> 01:49:03,310
county in New Jersey it's just one of

2405
01:49:09,479 --> 01:49:06,550
our particular members in our forum and

2406
01:49:17,550 --> 01:49:09,489
his avatar says it's a conspiracy

2407
01:49:20,700 --> 01:49:17,560
you know believe that's what it says I'm

2408
01:49:23,340 --> 01:49:20,710
sorry I need a translator almost every

2409
01:49:26,010 --> 01:49:23,350
time Chris speaks is there's a vibration

2410
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:26,020
there of some kind that makes it hard to

2411
01:49:34,350 --> 01:49:28,090
understand well you see Chris has good

2412
01:49:37,350 --> 01:49:34,360
vibrations well not right now okay he's

2413
01:49:43,320 --> 01:49:37,360
doing he's on the road doing studio are

2414
01:49:47,340 --> 01:49:43,330
we down the road on the road again right

2415
01:49:53,209 --> 01:49:47,350
that was a song by can't heat forget it

2416
01:49:58,020 --> 01:49:55,920
Willie Nelson did it too but also there

2417
01:50:02,060 --> 01:49:58,030
was a song I can hear yeah he did it but

2418
01:50:06,450 --> 01:50:02,070
the first guy was Oh

2419
01:50:09,780 --> 01:50:06,460
Guthrie accessories you know there was

2420
01:50:13,410 --> 01:50:09,790
the original grocery woody

2421
01:50:16,500 --> 01:50:13,420
not what the father woody yeah woody was

2422
01:50:18,620 --> 01:50:16,510
the father and the son became a rockstar

2423
01:50:23,040 --> 01:50:18,630
for a while and that was one of his uh

2424
01:50:29,340 --> 01:50:23,050
okay burgin asks have you read Clifford

2425
01:50:33,900 --> 01:50:29,350
stones new book sergeant Clifford stone

2426
01:50:36,600 --> 01:50:33,910
oh the fellow that lives or did live in

2427
01:50:38,160 --> 01:50:36,610
Roswell I'm not sure but he's the one

2428
01:50:41,850 --> 01:50:38,170
that claims that there's 57 different

2429
01:50:44,070 --> 01:50:41,860
alien types well I think that's the name

2430
01:50:47,340 --> 01:50:44,080
of a guy I met him once when I was in

2431
01:50:50,280 --> 01:50:47,350
Roswell he claims he was like a sergeant

2432
01:50:53,910 --> 01:50:50,290
or something in in in the service laid

2433
01:50:57,140 --> 01:50:53,920
back and he was a present in his opinion

2434
01:50:59,730 --> 01:50:57,150
when there was an on-the-spot

2435
01:51:03,000 --> 01:50:59,740
investigation made by the military of a

2436
01:51:05,430 --> 01:51:03,010
saucer that had just crashed and I

2437
01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:05,440
didn't believe a word of it because he

2438
01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:07,570
didn't come out with that until quite a

2439
01:51:12,510 --> 01:51:09,970
long time after he would become a saucer

2440
01:51:14,130 --> 01:51:12,520
researchers eventually he remembered

2441
01:51:16,140 --> 01:51:14,140
this thing that would have been the

2442
01:51:18,780 --> 01:51:16,150
first thing that he would have said if

2443
01:51:21,090 --> 01:51:18,790
it were true so yeah Clifford stone he

2444
01:51:23,070 --> 01:51:21,100
lived in Roswell and was at that time

2445
01:51:29,250 --> 01:51:23,080
when I met him a security guard does

2446
01:51:31,650 --> 01:51:29,260
that sound right okay you see Jim when

2447
01:51:33,750 --> 01:51:31,660
Chris who is our ace investigator says

2448
01:51:35,700 --> 01:51:33,760
you're correct that's it now here's a

2449
01:51:39,090 --> 01:51:35,710
question and I think you're going to

2450
01:51:41,820 --> 01:51:39,100
reject the premise okay okay what is the

2451
01:51:44,700 --> 01:51:41,830
best tactic in his opinion on how to get

2452
01:51:46,890 --> 01:51:44,710
any truth out of the military on what

2453
01:51:49,590 --> 01:51:46,900
they know about the UFO phenomenon but

2454
01:51:52,080 --> 01:51:49,600
Jim I guess the qualifier here that all

2455
01:51:54,780 --> 01:51:52,090
ant is do you accept that the military

2456
01:51:57,300 --> 01:51:54,790
has any information that is of any

2457
01:52:00,030 --> 01:51:57,310
significance well you know that's how

2458
01:52:03,810 --> 01:52:00,040
you word it obviously the military has

2459
01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:03,820
details about many sightings that we

2460
01:52:08,070 --> 01:52:05,530
don't know about or that they know more

2461
01:52:14,010 --> 01:52:08,080
about than we do obviously there have

2462
01:52:16,980 --> 01:52:14,020
been many cases of UFOs by military

2463
01:52:20,040 --> 01:52:16,990
craft I mean of course they know more

2464
01:52:22,169 --> 01:52:20,050
than we do but that's not the question

2465
01:52:24,959 --> 01:52:22,179
do they have had

2466
01:52:28,049 --> 01:52:24,969
what would we say intercourse perhaps

2467
01:52:30,509 --> 01:52:28,059
with saucers in ways that we are not

2468
01:52:32,489 --> 01:52:30,519
aware of because they don't give out any

2469
01:52:35,149 --> 01:52:32,499
information that they don't have to let

2470
01:52:38,419 --> 01:52:35,159
the question is do they know anything

2471
01:52:41,580 --> 01:52:38,429
significant have they looked at

2472
01:52:44,179 --> 01:52:41,590
creatures from their saucers or have

2473
01:52:47,370 --> 01:52:44,189
they interfaced at all with the

2474
01:52:49,469 --> 01:52:47,380
creatures from another planet or have

2475
01:52:51,779 --> 01:52:49,479
they thrown themselves at something or

2476
01:52:54,629 --> 01:52:51,789
to other planets secretly and none of

2477
01:52:58,009 --> 01:52:54,639
that I believe so I personally wouldn't

2478
01:53:01,379 --> 01:52:58,019
waste a lot of time trying to push

2479
01:53:03,359 --> 01:53:01,389
secrets out of the military because for

2480
01:53:05,250 --> 01:53:03,369
one reason there they're probably

2481
01:53:07,469 --> 01:53:05,260
smarter than you are they'll just know

2482
01:53:09,060 --> 01:53:07,479
how to send it off and they're not going

2483
01:53:11,689 --> 01:53:09,070
to tell you anything they don't want to

2484
01:53:14,339 --> 01:53:11,699
what about the possibility the military

2485
01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:14,349
funnels off some of information about

2486
01:53:17,850 --> 01:53:16,090
subjects such as this to private

2487
01:53:22,140 --> 01:53:17,860
industry then they have so-called

2488
01:53:24,810 --> 01:53:22,150
plausible deniability that's my I think

2489
01:53:26,129 --> 01:53:24,820
that's true I don't think that's about

2490
01:53:28,770 --> 01:53:26,139
all I can say about it because I don't

2491
01:53:31,140 --> 01:53:28,780
know you know much about any of the

2492
01:53:34,500 --> 01:53:31,150
details of kind government contracts but

2493
01:53:37,080 --> 01:53:34,510
obviously private industry is involved

2494
01:53:39,719 --> 01:53:37,090
and I guess in a way they could claim

2495
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:39,729
that they're not involved I have no idea

2496
01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:42,010
you know this raises another question

2497
01:53:47,399 --> 01:53:45,010
that arose back in the early 50s and 60s

2498
01:53:49,290 --> 01:53:47,409
and crazy rumors about Jim Mosely it's

2499
01:53:50,459 --> 01:53:49,300
not part of Birkins questions but I'm

2500
01:53:51,689 --> 01:53:50,469
gonna bring it up because we're talking

2501
01:53:55,140 --> 01:53:51,699
about the military-industrial complex

2502
01:53:58,259 --> 01:53:55,150
and all that your late father was a

2503
01:53:59,699 --> 01:53:58,269
famous or infamous military figure in

2504
01:54:01,620 --> 01:53:59,709
the 38 40s

2505
01:54:05,699 --> 01:54:01,630
tell us about him because I think this

2506
01:54:07,379 --> 01:54:05,709
is how it relates to it well I you know

2507
01:54:12,199 --> 01:54:07,389
what let's why'd you answer the question

2508
01:54:15,239 --> 01:54:12,209
and then I'll ask well well yes he was a

2509
01:54:18,859 --> 01:54:15,249
notorious figure for a short time in the

2510
01:54:23,370 --> 01:54:18,869
late 30s because of his pro-fascist muse

2511
01:54:26,429 --> 01:54:23,380
and he was not in favor of world war ii

2512
01:54:28,469 --> 01:54:26,439
because i think he was more friendly

2513
01:54:31,649 --> 01:54:28,479
toward the germans than toward the

2514
01:54:35,080 --> 01:54:31,659
english that's the way he was i I wasn't

2515
01:54:37,810 --> 01:54:35,090
raised by him but I knew him I did it

2516
01:54:40,360 --> 01:54:37,820
Oh about once a year he lived in Atlanta

2517
01:54:42,580 --> 01:54:40,370
Georgia and I lived up in New Jersey and

2518
01:54:45,340 --> 01:54:42,590
we didn't get along very well because my

2519
01:54:47,320 --> 01:54:45,350
views were not at all like his and

2520
01:54:49,570 --> 01:54:47,330
that's about all there is to that unless

2521
01:54:51,040 --> 01:54:49,580
there's some specific reason for the

2522
01:54:54,490 --> 01:54:51,050
questions okay we're talking here about

2523
01:54:59,620 --> 01:54:54,500
George Van Horne Mosley yeah and he

2524
01:55:01,480 --> 01:54:59,630
lived a long time 86 he died how did you

2525
01:55:04,270 --> 01:55:01,490
know that because he's listed on

2526
01:55:06,580 --> 01:55:04,280
Wikipedia they have a host option oh by

2527
01:55:08,620 --> 01:55:06,590
ography about your dad there's even a

2528
01:55:10,150 --> 01:55:08,630
small biography about you on Wikipedia

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if you ever get online or learn how to

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do with you it talks mostly about the

2531
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straight letter I've got to tell you

2532
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what we'll talk mostly to Jim Mosley

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2629
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secret location is still functioning

2630
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yeah isn't that amazing okay that's

2631
02:00:27,560 --> 02:00:23,199
right and he's been to both bars in the

2632
02:00:32,300 --> 02:00:30,180
editor of saucer smear we were talking

2633
02:00:35,250 --> 02:00:32,310
about the fact that his father was a

2634
02:00:37,050 --> 02:00:35,260
notorious I guess military figure and

2635
02:00:39,510 --> 02:00:37,060
the reason we mentioned that is because

2636
02:00:42,810 --> 02:00:39,520
people say all right Jim Mosley has no

2637
02:00:45,330 --> 02:00:42,820
obvious means of employment and back in

2638
02:00:48,209 --> 02:00:45,340
the 50s and 60s they used the fact that

2639
02:00:50,700 --> 02:00:48,219
you had a father who was a famous

2640
02:00:54,209 --> 02:00:50,710
military figure saying that Jim Mosley

2641
02:00:56,300 --> 02:00:54,219
therefore must be a secret military age

2642
02:00:58,919 --> 02:00:56,310
well there's different things here I

2643
02:01:02,520 --> 02:00:58,929
inherited a lot of money from my mother

2644
02:01:05,220 --> 02:01:02,530
not for my father I inherited $100 for

2645
02:01:08,040 --> 02:01:05,230
my father and that didn't last too long

2646
02:01:10,050 --> 02:01:08,050
well my dad was my father and he wasn't

2647
02:01:11,760 --> 02:01:10,060
a famous military figure but I'll tell

2648
02:01:15,000 --> 02:01:11,770
you something that's very interesting

2649
02:01:17,520 --> 02:01:15,010
General MacArthur is known to have made

2650
02:01:20,729 --> 02:01:17,530
several public statements having to do

2651
02:01:22,589 --> 02:01:20,739
with in a planetary war and I think you

2652
02:01:25,589 --> 02:01:22,599
probably know that it's basically saying

2653
02:01:28,260 --> 02:01:25,599
that the only way to get a human race to

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02:01:30,510 --> 02:01:28,270
get along with each other is if we were

2655
02:01:32,430 --> 02:01:30,520
threatened from and outside for it

2656
02:01:34,410 --> 02:01:32,440
you're familiar with that right that's

2657
02:01:36,209 --> 02:01:34,420
almost similar to something that

2658
02:01:39,450 --> 02:01:36,219
President Reagan said a number of years

2659
02:01:41,850 --> 02:01:39,460
later yes yes that's exactly true but in

2660
02:01:45,229 --> 02:01:41,860
the interesting thing my father was

2661
02:01:47,850 --> 02:01:45,239
deputy chief of staff under MacArthur in

2662
02:01:51,180 --> 02:01:47,860
1930-31 that's just around the time I

2663
02:01:53,430 --> 02:01:51,190
was born and MacArthur as I said made

2664
02:01:56,129 --> 02:01:53,440
that kind of statement a number of times

2665
02:01:58,919 --> 02:01:56,139
and now I had an opportunity to meet

2666
02:02:01,830 --> 02:01:58,929
MacArthur with my father after they were

2667
02:02:04,709 --> 02:02:01,840
both long retired MacArthur lived at the

2668
02:02:07,470 --> 02:02:04,719
Waldorf Astoria in New York and I showed

2669
02:02:09,780 --> 02:02:07,480
up about two literally two minutes late

2670
02:02:12,300 --> 02:02:09,790
for the appointment and my father had

2671
02:02:15,030 --> 02:02:12,310
already left over the lobby of the hotel

2672
02:02:17,760 --> 02:02:15,040
and got up to see MacArthur and so I

2673
02:02:20,700 --> 02:02:17,770
missed and then I had another thought I

2674
02:02:21,560 --> 02:02:20,710
guess by then my father died I could

2675
02:02:24,470 --> 02:02:21,570
have any

2676
02:02:26,810 --> 02:02:24,480
you McArthur just as a person at random

2677
02:02:28,520 --> 02:02:26,820
that happened to be general Moseley son

2678
02:02:31,040 --> 02:02:28,530
and in other words not mentioning

2679
02:02:33,410 --> 02:02:31,050
saucers at all the average person

2680
02:02:34,910 --> 02:02:33,420
doesn't go into that just meet him and

2681
02:02:37,129 --> 02:02:34,920
here you go to say hello and have an

2682
02:02:39,530 --> 02:02:37,139
interview and then say oh by the way and

2683
02:02:42,350 --> 02:02:39,540
then if there was a story there which I

2684
02:02:44,089 --> 02:02:42,360
think he just was of the kick likes it

2685
02:02:46,490 --> 02:02:44,099
like rated but if there was a story

2686
02:02:48,410 --> 02:02:46,500
there I would have had a exclusive and I

2687
02:02:50,959 --> 02:02:48,420
missed out on that too by the time I

2688
02:02:53,629 --> 02:02:50,969
wanted to do it he was quite ill and I

2689
02:02:55,669 --> 02:02:53,639
never did parenthetically are there

2690
02:02:58,430 --> 02:02:55,679
other interviews you wish you could have

2691
02:03:00,740 --> 02:02:58,440
done well of course everybody would say

2692
02:03:03,290 --> 02:03:00,750
that but I mean I'm without going into

2693
02:03:06,109 --> 02:03:03,300
the he's artistical details I spent at

2694
02:03:08,300 --> 02:03:06,119
least a half hour alone talking to

2695
02:03:11,600 --> 02:03:08,310
General Eisenhower before he was

2696
02:03:14,510 --> 02:03:11,610
president I spent a little less time be

2697
02:03:16,609 --> 02:03:14,520
talking alone with Harry Truman after he

2698
02:03:18,709 --> 02:03:16,619
was president that one you've told on

2699
02:03:21,020 --> 02:03:18,719
the air now Eisenhower this preceded

2700
02:03:22,669 --> 02:03:21,030
your interest in UFOs so certainly there

2701
02:03:23,689 --> 02:03:22,679
wasn't anything you talked to him about

2702
02:03:28,040 --> 02:03:23,699
that's true

2703
02:03:31,189 --> 02:03:28,050
and it was 1947 I think and obviously I

2704
02:03:32,990 --> 02:03:31,199
hadn't heard of mj-12 or Roswell or any

2705
02:03:35,330 --> 02:03:33,000
of the good stuff so I wouldn't have

2706
02:03:37,280 --> 02:03:35,340
known what to ask him anyway and I'm

2707
02:03:39,890 --> 02:03:37,290
sure he wouldn't have known anything at

2708
02:03:41,540 --> 02:03:39,900
that time that that he shouldn't know of

2709
02:03:43,339 --> 02:03:41,550
course you didn't know when he of course

2710
02:03:49,310 --> 02:03:43,349
have you alleged toothache and went to

2711
02:03:51,260 --> 02:03:49,320
the secret military I know the case

2712
02:03:52,189 --> 02:03:51,270
you're talking about yeah but you don't

2713
02:03:54,770 --> 02:03:52,199
believe that do you

2714
02:03:57,410 --> 02:03:54,780
he was either at the dentist or he was

2715
02:03:59,839 --> 02:03:57,420
having a secret meeting with creatures

2716
02:04:02,660 --> 02:03:59,849
from a landed spaceship or the sacred

2717
02:04:06,080 --> 02:04:02,670
aliens creatures were dentists and he

2718
02:04:09,050 --> 02:04:06,090
had some kind of dental or medical

2719
02:04:10,729 --> 02:04:09,060
condition that we couldn't cure so he

2720
02:04:15,379 --> 02:04:10,739
asked et to do it I just started a new

2721
02:04:17,209 --> 02:04:15,389
rumor folks yeah it could have been a a

2722
02:04:19,669 --> 02:04:17,219
dentist from another planet

2723
02:04:21,979 --> 02:04:19,679
this is a new story science fiction

2724
02:04:27,010 --> 02:04:21,989
story the dentists from another planet

2725
02:04:32,299 --> 02:04:29,540
we have another question number three

2726
02:04:35,310 --> 02:04:32,309
thoughts on ancient alien series on the

2727
02:04:37,439 --> 02:04:35,320
History Channel now I suspect you don't

2728
02:04:39,629 --> 02:04:37,449
half table TV or if you do you get a

2729
02:04:42,629 --> 02:04:39,639
very basic cable TV and don't watch

2730
02:04:45,180 --> 02:04:42,639
those things we only have cable here so

2731
02:04:47,069 --> 02:04:45,190
I get tables and if I wanted to I could

2732
02:04:48,899 --> 02:04:47,079
get over a hundred channels which I

2733
02:04:52,379 --> 02:04:48,909
would never watch so I basically get

2734
02:04:54,569 --> 02:04:52,389
basic cable and it's cheaper by far and

2735
02:04:56,790 --> 02:04:54,579
I only watched two or three channels and

2736
02:04:59,220 --> 02:04:56,800
that's not one of them so I I don't know

2737
02:05:01,470 --> 02:04:59,230
a whole lot about ancient astronauts

2738
02:05:03,300 --> 02:05:01,480
you remember Jana fortnight I'll tell

2739
02:05:06,270 --> 02:05:03,310
our listeners about this guy because

2740
02:05:08,160 --> 02:05:06,280
Jana is one of the early people to talk

2741
02:05:11,129 --> 02:05:08,170
about ancient astronauts way before

2742
02:05:13,709 --> 02:05:11,139
erich von daniken ever existed

2743
02:05:17,550 --> 02:05:13,719
tell us about Jana he was one character

2744
02:05:22,050 --> 02:05:17,560
he was indeed he was a scholar a Jewish

2745
02:05:25,379 --> 02:05:22,060
scholar of very high IQ and he

2746
02:05:28,530 --> 02:05:25,389
specialized in the Old Testament and in

2747
02:05:31,500 --> 02:05:28,540
ancient manuscripts from places like

2748
02:05:34,950 --> 02:05:31,510
India and so forth I think that would be

2749
02:05:36,930 --> 02:05:34,960
Sanskrit I'm not sure anyway to make a

2750
02:05:39,149 --> 02:05:36,940
long story short he came across a lot of

2751
02:05:42,479 --> 02:05:39,159
stories that sounded like I guess earth

2752
02:05:45,120 --> 02:05:42,489
made spaceships in India and as far as

2753
02:05:47,939 --> 02:05:45,130
the Old Testament is concerned he

2754
02:05:51,600 --> 02:05:47,949
believes that Jehovah the God of the Old

2755
02:05:54,030 --> 02:05:51,610
Testament was in reality a space that

2756
02:05:56,399 --> 02:05:54,040
was his take on these things and he read

2757
02:05:58,950 --> 02:05:56,409
these languages and then wrote articles

2758
02:06:01,950 --> 02:05:58,960
in English about what he had read

2759
02:06:04,050 --> 02:06:01,960
unfortunately he never wrote a proper

2760
02:06:06,479 --> 02:06:04,060
book about it and he had so many

2761
02:06:08,879 --> 02:06:06,489
hang-ups about what should and should

2762
02:06:11,490 --> 02:06:08,889
not be included but he was very hard to

2763
02:06:13,589 --> 02:06:11,500
work with but he was a quite a scholar

2764
02:06:16,350 --> 02:06:13,599
the only thing about it is he was a very

2765
02:06:17,790 --> 02:06:16,360
good writer but the writing style of the

2766
02:06:20,729 --> 02:06:17,800
original stories that you published in

2767
02:06:23,760 --> 02:06:20,739
saucer news from Yona they were so dry

2768
02:06:25,950 --> 02:06:23,770
it was really difficult to follow unless

2769
02:06:29,220 --> 02:06:25,960
you had a background in the information

2770
02:06:30,990 --> 02:06:29,230
he was what he was he could have been he

2771
02:06:32,939 --> 02:06:31,000
had no interest in being a popular

2772
02:06:36,390 --> 02:06:32,949
writer which is too bad because he

2773
02:06:38,850 --> 02:06:36,400
needed money badly at all times and it's

2774
02:06:41,609 --> 02:06:38,860
just a shame that his talent was wasted

2775
02:06:44,490 --> 02:06:41,619
now I could just be v-8 here and mention

2776
02:06:46,290 --> 02:06:44,500
the Nazca lines but I think we've

2777
02:06:48,330 --> 02:06:46,300
already done that if you don't watch

2778
02:06:50,940 --> 02:06:48,340
hit him again because I asked someone

2779
02:06:53,100 --> 02:06:50,950
who was involved in ancient astronaut

2780
02:06:55,470 --> 02:06:53,110
studies about this and he kind of

2781
02:06:58,020 --> 02:06:55,480
dismissed the possibility so explain

2782
02:07:01,080 --> 02:06:58,030
again you and Yona and the Nazca lines

2783
02:07:04,530 --> 02:07:01,090
and what they're about had nothing to do

2784
02:07:06,450 --> 02:07:04,540
with I thought he had actually been sent

2785
02:07:09,480 --> 02:07:06,460
down there to look at that well well yes

2786
02:07:13,200 --> 02:07:09,490
after I got into trouble down in Peru

2787
02:07:15,270 --> 02:07:13,210
I sent him down as a whatever surrogate

2788
02:07:16,560 --> 02:07:15,280
or something to try to help me to

2789
02:07:19,020 --> 02:07:16,570
straighten out things with the Peruvian

2790
02:07:21,600 --> 02:07:19,030
government and apart from that he was

2791
02:07:23,820 --> 02:07:21,610
interested in archaeology and he had met

2792
02:07:25,710 --> 02:07:23,830
Maria rice who was this German

2793
02:07:28,710 --> 02:07:25,720
archaeologist who was the greatest

2794
02:07:31,590 --> 02:07:28,720
person to study the Nazca lines over a

2795
02:07:33,390 --> 02:07:31,600
period of 30 or 40 years but that had

2796
02:07:35,670 --> 02:07:33,400
nothing to do with why he went to the

2797
02:07:38,900 --> 02:07:35,680
per other which is two different stories

2798
02:07:42,180 --> 02:07:38,910
as for the Nazca lines my opinion now is

2799
02:07:44,580 --> 02:07:42,190
that the actual mystery of what they

2800
02:07:47,070 --> 02:07:44,590
were what their purpose was I don't

2801
02:07:51,840 --> 02:07:47,080
think it's ever been solved not by a

2802
02:07:53,780 --> 02:07:51,850
Maria Rice or anybody else but the least

2803
02:07:57,930 --> 02:07:53,790
likely thing is that there that was a

2804
02:07:59,430 --> 02:07:57,940
landing field for UFOs because when you

2805
02:08:03,380 --> 02:07:59,440
really think about it which I've had

2806
02:08:07,050 --> 02:08:03,390
plenty of time to do the lines are not

2807
02:08:10,320 --> 02:08:07,060
very visible from the air okay but

2808
02:08:12,390 --> 02:08:10,330
before we answer why this is all about

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02:08:14,400 --> 02:08:12,400
why Jim has reached this conclusion will

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02:08:24,810 --> 02:08:14,410
tell you that we have Jim Mosely with G

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Alka vision comm today hello this is

2919
02:12:43,919 --> 02:12:41,349
John Burroughs one of the witnesses

2920
02:12:46,200 --> 02:12:43,929
Lendl some UFO incident you're listening

2921
02:12:51,060 --> 02:12:46,210
to the podcast the gold standard of a

2922
02:12:57,490 --> 02:12:53,680
from a secret location on a mountaintop

2923
02:13:01,330 --> 02:12:57,500
we have Chris O'Brien speaking to us on

2924
02:13:02,770 --> 02:13:01,340
the secret radio with Captain video in

2925
02:13:04,810 --> 02:13:02,780
his video Rangers know it's another

2926
02:13:09,100 --> 02:13:04,820
story when I want to get into that but

2927
02:13:11,790 --> 02:13:09,110
Jim in the middle of downtown LA same

2928
02:13:17,860 --> 02:13:15,340
we have Mosely editor Saucer smear we're

2929
02:13:19,180 --> 02:13:17,870
talking about the Nazca lines and you

2930
02:13:23,020 --> 02:13:19,190
made this tape because you don't think

2931
02:13:27,479 --> 02:13:23,030
they were landing signals well you know

2932
02:13:32,080 --> 02:13:27,489
that's what a landing spot for UFOs well

2933
02:13:36,250 --> 02:13:32,090
you know it was a simple idea to come up

2934
02:13:38,740 --> 02:13:36,260
with just like I think at this point in

2935
02:13:42,310 --> 02:13:38,750
time my opinion of saucers I think it's

2936
02:13:44,229 --> 02:13:42,320
a obvious and simple idea to say they

2937
02:13:47,200 --> 02:13:44,239
come from another planet just like it's

2938
02:13:50,950 --> 02:13:47,210
you see lines like that that are

2939
02:13:52,810 --> 02:13:50,960
unexplained and the simplest idea is she

2940
02:13:54,640 --> 02:13:52,820
must have been a landing field and since

2941
02:13:57,070 --> 02:13:54,650
those ancient people didn't have

2942
02:13:59,140 --> 02:13:57,080
aircraft although it's been brought up

2943
02:14:01,540 --> 02:13:59,150
that possibly they did have but I doubt

2944
02:14:04,240 --> 02:14:01,550
it then it would be people from

2945
02:14:06,760 --> 02:14:04,250
elsewhere coming in and that's not

2946
02:14:09,820 --> 02:14:06,770
likely either what I started to say is

2947
02:14:11,550 --> 02:14:09,830
the lines are hard to see from an

2948
02:14:15,310 --> 02:14:11,560
airplane you have to be pretty low

2949
02:14:18,729 --> 02:14:15,320
there's mr. Fogg but there's whatever

2950
02:14:21,910 --> 02:14:18,739
you would not see those lines from very

2951
02:14:25,660 --> 02:14:21,920
far away and I from the ground you can't

2952
02:14:27,790 --> 02:14:25,670
see far enough at one time to know what

2953
02:14:30,820 --> 02:14:27,800
the whole pattern is because it's just

2954
02:14:32,979 --> 02:14:30,830
that way you can't see more than what a

2955
02:14:35,320 --> 02:14:32,989
couple of miles or something and if the

2956
02:14:37,990 --> 02:14:35,330
line is 10 miles long then you're only

2957
02:14:42,340 --> 02:14:38,000
looking at part of it but I was probably

2958
02:14:44,919 --> 02:14:42,350
the only amateur in history to dig on

2959
02:14:49,120 --> 02:14:44,929
the Nazca lines which right now the Peru

2960
02:14:51,790 --> 02:14:49,130
has become much more prohibitive about

2961
02:14:53,560 --> 02:14:51,800
things like this I guess you'd be locked

2962
02:14:56,590 --> 02:14:53,570
up or something but I had a crew of

2963
02:14:59,229 --> 02:14:56,600
diggers and just for the fun of it we

2964
02:15:01,819 --> 02:14:59,239
went out to the Nazca lines one day

2965
02:15:04,010 --> 02:15:01,829
because they were at least two now

2966
02:15:06,589 --> 02:15:04,020
we're a bunch of lines would come

2967
02:15:11,330 --> 02:15:06,599
together all together six eight or ten

2968
02:15:12,950 --> 02:15:11,340
lines running from a single mound and it

2969
02:15:15,979 --> 02:15:12,960
would be reasonable just again

2970
02:15:18,140 --> 02:15:15,989
simplistic certainly to think if they

2971
02:15:20,930 --> 02:15:18,150
were going to have a very important

2972
02:15:24,260 --> 02:15:20,940
burial it would be in or on the side of

2973
02:15:26,569 --> 02:15:24,270
that mound because elsewhere there were

2974
02:15:29,450 --> 02:15:26,579
a lot of tombs some of which I opened

2975
02:15:31,609 --> 02:15:29,460
that were on the side of mountains I

2976
02:15:34,850 --> 02:15:31,619
mean it's it's a common thing in

2977
02:15:38,120 --> 02:15:34,860
primitive societies so we tried and we

2978
02:15:39,890 --> 02:15:38,130
dug and we couldn't reach anything that

2979
02:15:41,990 --> 02:15:39,900
seemed to be leading towards something

2980
02:15:45,470 --> 02:15:42,000
further down that would be a burial and

2981
02:15:47,089 --> 02:15:45,480
the diggers got teed off and said you

2982
02:15:49,549 --> 02:15:47,099
know we're wasting our time here we're

2983
02:15:53,120 --> 02:15:49,559
not going to find anything let's go back

2984
02:15:56,089 --> 02:15:53,130
to the valley of Nazca which was rich in

2985
02:15:58,100 --> 02:15:56,099
tombs many of which I opened so that was

2986
02:16:00,530 --> 02:15:58,110
fun and profitable and when I went I'm

2987
02:16:02,600 --> 02:16:00,540
going to ask her lines it was hot and

2988
02:16:06,169 --> 02:16:02,610
horrible so I was only there for about

2989
02:16:08,330 --> 02:16:06,179
half a day if I said this in Peru the

2990
02:16:11,419 --> 02:16:08,340
maximalist element which is probably

2991
02:16:13,609 --> 02:16:11,429
stronger right now would have any hung I

2992
02:16:15,859 --> 02:16:13,619
suppose in fact I think they're on their

2993
02:16:17,299 --> 02:16:15,869
way to your home at this moment and you

2994
02:16:20,330 --> 02:16:17,309
might be hearing that knock on the door

2995
02:16:23,000 --> 02:16:20,340
but anyway the next I don't know why

2996
02:16:24,589 --> 02:16:23,010
they can't really find out what they are

2997
02:16:27,490 --> 02:16:24,599
they have something to do with

2998
02:16:30,890 --> 02:16:27,500
irrigation apparently but they're not

2999
02:16:33,620 --> 02:16:30,900
irrigation canals like they sound like

3000
02:16:36,650 --> 02:16:33,630
they end at a certain point the line

3001
02:16:39,169 --> 02:16:36,660
runs to a certain point it very often

3002
02:16:42,379 --> 02:16:39,179
will be just the point at which the

3003
02:16:44,599 --> 02:16:42,389
desert becomes a small hill instead of

3004
02:16:46,759 --> 02:16:44,609
flat land and you have slope land as

3005
02:16:49,459 --> 02:16:46,769
going up to a hill a couple of hundred

3006
02:16:51,650 --> 02:16:49,469
feet high and it just dead ends there's

3007
02:16:53,780 --> 02:16:51,660
no way that these could ever have been

3008
02:16:56,629 --> 02:16:53,790
used as irrigation ditches or anything

3009
02:16:58,280 --> 02:16:56,639
so I don't know I never worried that

3010
02:17:01,660 --> 02:16:58,290
much about it because that they're not

3011
02:17:04,190 --> 02:17:01,670
connected with spaceships and who cares

3012
02:17:06,799 --> 02:17:04,200
well I guess because they are there we

3013
02:17:08,990 --> 02:17:06,809
have to have an explanation yes they'll

3014
02:17:11,360 --> 02:17:09,000
figure it out they're still people real

3015
02:17:15,229 --> 02:17:11,370
archaeologists are still writing books

3016
02:17:17,509 --> 02:17:15,239
about it and this woman I talked about

3017
02:17:20,439 --> 02:17:17,519
only died a few years ago she was almost

3018
02:17:24,439 --> 02:17:20,449
a hundred years old she was like almost

3019
02:17:26,689 --> 02:17:24,449
there was reverence toward her as having

3020
02:17:29,570 --> 02:17:26,699
done all this work which was pretty

3021
02:17:33,109 --> 02:17:29,580
useless I guess but she was famous in

3022
02:17:34,609 --> 02:17:33,119
Peru as the lady of the nationalise I'm

3023
02:17:36,259 --> 02:17:34,619
gonna ask you another question from

3024
02:17:38,889 --> 02:17:36,269
Bergen we still have a couple left from

3025
02:17:48,080 --> 02:17:38,899
him what in his opinion is the best

3026
02:17:53,870 --> 02:17:48,090
factual book on UFOs or Jimbo's Lee's

3027
02:17:57,559 --> 02:17:53,880
book of whatever CI I don't read most of

3028
02:18:00,500 --> 02:17:57,569
these books because it's just I can do a

3029
02:18:04,000 --> 02:18:00,510
review by just skimming through the

3030
02:18:07,790 --> 02:18:04,010
reading there the front you know fold

3031
02:18:11,209 --> 02:18:07,800
description and and a few of the reviews

3032
02:18:14,780 --> 02:18:11,219
of the book so well I would imagine that

3033
02:18:17,500 --> 02:18:14,790
the most factual and interesting to

3034
02:18:21,200 --> 02:18:17,510
somebody like me would be the books by

3035
02:18:26,139 --> 02:18:21,210
Alan Hynek and less so he know because

3036
02:18:29,780 --> 02:18:26,149
he what would we say not lied but he

3037
02:18:32,780 --> 02:18:29,790
changed the importand wording of

3038
02:18:35,689 --> 02:18:32,790
sightings to make them more exciting and

3039
02:18:38,389 --> 02:18:35,699
didn't stick literally to the text that

3040
02:18:40,879 --> 02:18:38,399
he got now I understand here Jim Mosley

3041
02:18:43,790 --> 02:18:40,889
got to see the same text of many of the

3042
02:18:45,500 --> 02:18:43,800
cases that key arose early books and

3043
02:18:48,049 --> 02:18:45,510
this is something maybe we should just

3044
02:18:50,330 --> 02:18:48,059
present this for a moment okay now major

3045
02:18:52,189 --> 02:18:50,340
Kia was considered a legend in the UFO

3046
02:18:54,339 --> 02:18:52,199
field because you know it's back in the

3047
02:18:57,709 --> 02:18:54,349
50s and such a different time then and

3048
02:19:00,609 --> 02:18:57,719
you're saying here then that he took

3049
02:19:06,649 --> 02:19:00,619
these basic cases that you saw and

3050
02:19:10,870 --> 02:19:06,659
embellished the details so and I can't

3051
02:19:14,599 --> 02:19:10,880
really prove that but I do know this he

3052
02:19:18,339 --> 02:19:14,609
was interested in the cases that the Air

3053
02:19:20,570 --> 02:19:18,349
Force's Project Blue Book had

3054
02:19:22,609 --> 02:19:20,580
investigated and this was just for a

3055
02:19:26,359 --> 02:19:22,619
short period of time and I think in the

3056
02:19:28,709 --> 02:19:26,369
early 50s and so he had a couple of

3057
02:19:31,320 --> 02:19:28,719
friends in the Air Force

3058
02:19:35,129 --> 02:19:31,330
that had an access to project Bluebook

3059
02:19:38,629 --> 02:19:35,139
files and they would read him over the

3060
02:19:41,669 --> 02:19:38,639
phone the text of some of these cases

3061
02:19:43,620 --> 02:19:41,679
leaving out the names of the people and

3062
02:19:45,209 --> 02:19:43,630
whatever else they wanted to leave

3063
02:19:49,380 --> 02:19:45,219
because these were technically

3064
02:19:51,630 --> 02:19:49,390
classified cases I just happened to I

3065
02:19:53,820 --> 02:19:51,640
guess I've been very very lucky and a

3066
02:19:55,320 --> 02:19:53,830
lot of things in my life and in ways

3067
02:19:57,510 --> 02:19:55,330
that are far more important than this

3068
02:20:00,570 --> 02:19:57,520
but one time I went to the Pentagon I

3069
02:20:02,910 --> 02:20:00,580
guess I called first and when I call

3070
02:20:05,280 --> 02:20:02,920
they said oh yeah come on in and we'll

3071
02:20:08,219 --> 02:20:05,290
show you the Bluebook files and they did

3072
02:20:11,400 --> 02:20:08,229
they set me down at a typewriter there

3073
02:20:13,290 --> 02:20:11,410
was no internet in those days and I came

3074
02:20:16,590 --> 02:20:13,300
in two or three different afternoons and

3075
02:20:19,440 --> 02:20:16,600
sat and tight anything I wanted from any

3076
02:20:21,599 --> 02:20:19,450
other blue books like obviously I only

3077
02:20:25,950 --> 02:20:21,609
tried the cases that were the most

3078
02:20:29,969 --> 02:20:25,960
exciting and when keyhole found this out

3079
02:20:32,849 --> 02:20:29,979
he went ballistic and basically he

3080
02:20:35,340 --> 02:20:32,859
caused them to be reclassified I'm the

3081
02:20:38,670 --> 02:20:35,350
only one that was ever able to do so to

3082
02:20:41,160 --> 02:20:38,680
do what I did because he as a great

3083
02:20:43,380 --> 02:20:41,170
seeker of truth made sure that that

3084
02:20:45,330 --> 02:20:43,390
never happened again okay okay but

3085
02:20:49,110 --> 02:20:45,340
you're saying here that he embellished

3086
02:20:53,910 --> 02:20:49,120
some details I would think so but I I'm

3087
02:20:55,679 --> 02:20:53,920
not exactly sure that it was so how can

3088
02:20:58,469 --> 02:20:55,689
I put it he was a professional writer

3089
02:21:01,349 --> 02:20:58,479
and without embellishing he said rewrite

3090
02:21:04,050 --> 02:21:01,359
these cases to make them look slightly

3091
02:21:06,360 --> 02:21:04,060
more interesting and incoherent than

3092
02:21:09,059 --> 02:21:06,370
they might be in the blue book files as

3093
02:21:10,769 --> 02:21:09,069
was just written by some guy you know

3094
02:21:12,479 --> 02:21:10,779
there was not a professional writer

3095
02:21:14,820 --> 02:21:12,489
now the wake he I wrote his books by the

3096
02:21:19,620 --> 02:21:14,830
way it was all like a detective novel

3097
02:21:21,960 --> 02:21:19,630
where 90% of the text is quotes people

3098
02:21:24,570 --> 02:21:21,970
talking to one another and either major

3099
02:21:28,190 --> 02:21:24,580
Keough had a photographic memory like

3100
02:21:33,690 --> 02:21:28,200
the person on the TV show unforgettable

3101
02:21:35,940 --> 02:21:33,700
or he took very copious notes or he was

3102
02:21:42,100 --> 02:21:35,950
you know expert dictation or he

3103
02:21:44,830 --> 02:21:42,110
embellished I it would be

3104
02:21:47,380 --> 02:21:44,840
yeah unreasonable - I just assumed that

3105
02:21:49,180 --> 02:21:47,390
he embellished and that mean he

3106
02:21:53,890 --> 02:21:49,190
certainly isn't the only professional

3107
02:21:55,690 --> 02:21:53,900
writer that does that or has done it I'd

3108
02:21:57,850 --> 02:21:55,700
like to think that shockingly close to

3109
02:21:59,620 --> 02:21:57,860
the truth is so close to the truth that

3110
02:22:01,570 --> 02:21:59,630
you can't tell the difference but I'm

3111
02:22:03,690 --> 02:22:01,580
not sure and the problem with Jim is

3112
02:22:06,970 --> 02:22:03,700
that shockingly close to the truth Jim

3113
02:22:09,400 --> 02:22:06,980
probably can tell where a fact ends and

3114
02:22:11,410 --> 02:22:09,410
fiction or a fact fiction begins

3115
02:22:13,930 --> 02:22:11,420
we have Jim Mosely editor of saucer

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02:22:15,640 --> 02:22:13,940
smear you're on with Jean and Chris and

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Chris O'Brien's top secret communicator

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is still functioning so we've got a

3216
02:27:00,661 --> 02:26:57,881
couple of minutes okay so if Chris

3217
02:27:04,470 --> 02:27:00,671
disappears it's not because he was

3218
02:27:11,751 --> 02:27:04,480
beamed up to the enterprise okay okay we

3219
02:27:15,301 --> 02:27:11,761
have to you Mosley and we're answering

3220
02:27:17,820 --> 02:27:15,311
your questions ladies and gentlemen Jim

3221
02:27:20,940 --> 02:27:17,830
yes you have something else you'd like

3222
02:27:24,930 --> 02:27:20,950
to say about Kehoe before we leave I

3223
02:27:27,121 --> 02:27:24,940
just learned that we were rivals which

3224
02:27:30,001 --> 02:27:27,131
was one reason we didn't get along but I

3225
02:27:34,140 --> 02:27:30,011
think my basic point against him was

3226
02:27:37,890 --> 02:27:34,150
legitimate he chose to believe that the

3227
02:27:40,980 --> 02:27:37,900
Air Force had more secrets than they

3228
02:27:43,650 --> 02:27:40,990
probably ever had and that if we could

3229
02:27:45,900 --> 02:27:43,660
just pry this information how to be Air

3230
02:27:48,450 --> 02:27:45,910
Force lead to have the answer

3231
02:27:50,850 --> 02:27:48,460
so mystery and for long-winded reasons

3232
02:27:53,370 --> 02:27:50,860
that just was not the case in my opinion

3233
02:27:56,040 --> 02:27:53,380
and he was wasting his time and that was

3234
02:27:59,070 --> 02:27:56,050
his main focus and eventually people

3235
02:28:00,720 --> 02:27:59,080
realized that he was too much focused on

3236
02:28:04,080 --> 02:28:00,730
that one thing and he lost a lot of

3237
02:28:06,480 --> 02:28:04,090
popularity and lost most of his Board of

3238
02:28:08,910 --> 02:28:06,490
Directors etc and finally he got kicked

3239
02:28:10,470 --> 02:28:08,920
out of his own organization well they

3240
02:28:13,801 --> 02:28:10,480
said the other thing is that he was a

3241
02:28:16,470 --> 02:28:13,811
very bad manager yeah yeah true

3242
02:28:20,400 --> 02:28:16,480
they were always short of money and so

3243
02:28:20,850 --> 02:28:20,410
on but you know he had Admiral killing

3244
02:28:23,490 --> 02:28:20,860
Conner

3245
02:28:26,580 --> 02:28:23,500
if that said like who was I think the

3246
02:28:29,100 --> 02:28:26,590
first head of the CIA right some

3247
02:28:33,270 --> 02:28:29,110
important people because he had gone to

3248
02:28:36,420 --> 02:28:33,280
Annapolis and met them some were

3249
02:28:39,960 --> 02:28:36,430
classmates so I mean he he was pretty

3250
02:28:42,631 --> 02:28:39,970
much of an Insider himself but he wrote

3251
02:28:45,500 --> 02:28:42,641
interesting books and popularized the

3252
02:28:48,210 --> 02:28:45,510
subject but he didn't solve anything

3253
02:28:49,950 --> 02:28:48,220
he got himself so involved in getting

3254
02:28:54,270 --> 02:28:49,960
congressional hearings that he lost

3255
02:28:56,520 --> 02:28:54,280
focus on me because you know there have

3256
02:28:58,320 --> 02:28:56,530
been congressional hearings and I'm not

3257
02:29:02,610 --> 02:28:58,330
up on this actually two or three times

3258
02:29:04,680 --> 02:29:02,620
and they didn't lead to anything they

3259
02:29:07,230 --> 02:29:04,690
just didn't you know if he spent all

3260
02:29:10,341 --> 02:29:07,240
that time interesting the scientific

3261
02:29:12,480 --> 02:29:10,351
community investigate UFOs getting

3262
02:29:13,860 --> 02:29:12,490
top-notch scientists and he had the

3263
02:29:16,170 --> 02:29:13,870
people the background there he had

3264
02:29:20,460 --> 02:29:16,180
scientists he had military people if

3265
02:29:22,040 --> 02:29:20,470
they went and they contacted these

3266
02:29:24,660 --> 02:29:22,050
people and said look here's the evidence

3267
02:29:27,570 --> 02:29:24,670
let's investigate this stuff let's get

3268
02:29:30,030 --> 02:29:27,580
it out there it wouldn't matter you

3269
02:29:32,040 --> 02:29:30,040
wouldn't you're on the right track but

3270
02:29:34,230 --> 02:29:32,050
you would need a hell of a lot of money

3271
02:29:37,320 --> 02:29:34,240
it would have to have to be appropriated

3272
02:29:39,841 --> 02:29:37,330
by Congress it's not always as bad as it

3273
02:29:43,320 --> 02:29:39,851
is right now you know what you could

3274
02:29:44,820 --> 02:29:43,330
also get private industrialists people

3275
02:29:46,591 --> 02:29:44,830
in private industry to do it which is

3276
02:29:48,950 --> 02:29:46,601
the point the point is here if you've

3277
02:29:51,330 --> 02:29:48,960
got people like a former head of the CIA

3278
02:29:53,341 --> 02:29:51,340
walking into an office of an

3279
02:29:57,060 --> 02:29:53,351
industrialist and say look here's his

3280
02:29:58,620 --> 02:29:57,070
story here's the information put aside a

3281
02:29:58,921 --> 02:29:58,630
couple of million for this thing and

3282
02:30:01,350 --> 02:29:58,931
remem

3283
02:30:04,261 --> 02:30:01,360
were a couple of million in 1955 is like

3284
02:30:08,011 --> 02:30:04,271
10 20 million now that's a lot of money

3285
02:30:11,451 --> 02:30:08,021
to engage in a complicated investigative

3286
02:30:14,581 --> 02:30:11,461
project but Kehoe just squandered that

3287
02:30:17,701 --> 02:30:14,591
well but the only thing coaster that

3288
02:30:20,100 --> 02:30:17,711
would be Bigelow and he has not spent a

3289
02:30:23,071 --> 02:30:20,110
whole lot of money and he is very hard

3290
02:30:25,951 --> 02:30:23,081
to deal with and he's done some good but

3291
02:30:27,451 --> 02:30:25,961
not as much as he said okay well he put

3292
02:30:29,131 --> 02:30:27,461
money into MUFON and then there were

3293
02:30:33,031 --> 02:30:29,141
terms and conditions it didn't work out

3294
02:30:35,041 --> 02:30:33,041
yeah yeah now and that and that haunted

3295
02:30:38,011 --> 02:30:35,051
ranch a little bit closer there's

3296
02:30:40,980 --> 02:30:38,021
another name skinwalker ranch skinwalker

3297
02:30:43,411 --> 02:30:40,990
yeah a skinwalker ranch there again is

3298
02:30:46,140 --> 02:30:43,421
it's a confusing and different versions

3299
02:30:49,171 --> 02:30:46,150
of it the only thing I can say for sure

3300
02:30:52,411 --> 02:30:49,181
is that nothing provable ever came out

3301
02:30:55,381 --> 02:30:52,421
of that whole thing there so it didn't

3302
02:30:57,690 --> 02:30:55,391
do any good there was actually one other

3303
02:30:59,611 --> 02:30:57,700
question burger and a stand I don't know

3304
02:31:02,761 --> 02:30:59,621
if you even answer this because you may

3305
02:31:09,801 --> 02:31:02,771
not even be interested any favorite film

3306
02:31:12,871 --> 02:31:09,811
or TV shows on UFOs this is fiction I

3307
02:31:15,631 --> 02:31:12,881
kind of liked it fourth of July is that

3308
02:31:18,121 --> 02:31:15,641
the name of it but no Independence Day

3309
02:31:22,501 --> 02:31:18,131
Independence Day right that was a fun

3310
02:31:24,151 --> 02:31:22,511
film I mean the pop culture and they had

3311
02:31:27,631 --> 02:31:24,161
these really great actors character

3312
02:31:30,291 --> 02:31:27,641
actors had Jeff Goldblum and Will Smith

3313
02:31:32,901 --> 02:31:30,301
and it was a fun movie it was a

3314
02:31:35,310 --> 02:31:32,911
nonsensical movie it was logically

3315
02:31:38,041 --> 02:31:35,320
nonsensical but it was fun you know what

3316
02:31:40,651 --> 02:31:38,051
what the worst thing was and and if you

3317
02:31:44,190 --> 02:31:40,661
see it or see it again watch for this

3318
02:31:48,871 --> 02:31:44,200
whoever their technical adviser was was

3319
02:31:51,091 --> 02:31:48,881
not a too Swift they had just a couple

3320
02:31:55,291 --> 02:31:51,101
of sentences about it they had Roswell

3321
02:31:58,321 --> 02:31:55,301
happening I believe in the early 50s and

3322
02:32:01,651 --> 02:31:58,331
and they had the location wrong is that

3323
02:32:03,751 --> 02:32:01,661
they do a simple thing like that it was

3324
02:32:06,511 --> 02:32:03,761
done by the way in kind of an offhand

3325
02:32:07,230 --> 02:32:06,521
conversation Judd Hirsch plays Jeff

3326
02:32:10,550 --> 02:32:07,240
Goldblum's

3327
02:32:12,829 --> 02:32:10,560
rather eccentric father

3328
02:32:16,369 --> 02:32:12,839
he's remembering something oh yeah at

3329
02:32:18,949 --> 02:32:16,379
Roswell in the 50s and so they didn't

3330
02:32:21,260 --> 02:32:18,959
correct him but he was just an average

3331
02:32:23,510 --> 02:32:21,270
person trying to remember something and

3332
02:32:25,760 --> 02:32:23,520
the technical details didn't matter

3333
02:32:28,729 --> 02:32:25,770
because the way it was posed was all

3334
02:32:31,369 --> 02:32:28,739
right you had a crash you had this

3335
02:32:35,510 --> 02:32:31,379
evidence and you hid it from us that was

3336
02:32:36,949 --> 02:32:35,520
the point it wasn't us but I just

3337
02:32:39,170 --> 02:32:36,959
thought it was cute

3338
02:32:41,679 --> 02:32:39,180
that they couldn't get that right but

3339
02:32:43,729 --> 02:32:41,689
that's a that's a logical reason yeah

3340
02:32:46,069 --> 02:32:43,739
right it was a fun film was a

3341
02:32:48,769 --> 02:32:46,079
nonsensical film they've talked of

3342
02:32:50,929 --> 02:32:48,779
having a sequel every so often this is

3343
02:32:53,359 --> 02:32:50,939
Roland Emmerich and Dean Devlin Roland

3344
02:32:56,000 --> 02:32:53,369
Emmerich did a film about 2012 and also

3345
02:32:57,829 --> 02:32:56,010
the day after tomorrow and of course

3346
02:33:00,769 --> 02:32:57,839
Dean Devlin does a TV series called

3347
02:33:02,119 --> 02:33:00,779
leverage ladies and gentlemen so you

3348
02:33:03,439 --> 02:33:02,129
know they're still around they've talked

3349
02:33:05,149 --> 02:33:03,449
about it they have to get their stars

3350
02:33:11,210 --> 02:33:05,159
back but Will Smith became a big star

3351
02:33:14,510 --> 02:33:11,220
from that movie I really am sorry Frank

3352
02:33:17,779 --> 02:33:14,520
strangers never succeeded in getting any

3353
02:33:21,019 --> 02:33:17,789
film out there - that takes the film

3354
02:33:23,029 --> 02:33:21,029
rights to develop a Thoris story because

3355
02:33:26,149 --> 02:33:23,039
that would have made a wonderful movie

3356
02:33:30,500 --> 02:33:26,159
you really think so yeah yeah I actually

3357
02:33:33,710 --> 02:33:30,510
read the book or sort of I mean III like

3358
02:33:36,319 --> 02:33:33,720
the oh yeah the name of it it's stranger

3359
02:33:39,199 --> 02:33:36,329
at the Pentagon right that's fabulous

3360
02:33:41,210 --> 02:33:39,209
yeah I read the book Tim by the way yeah

3361
02:33:47,929 --> 02:33:41,220
and those days I read every book now I

3362
02:33:50,269 --> 02:33:47,939
read some of the books every book I

3363
02:33:52,130 --> 02:33:50,279
would be blind among other things

3364
02:33:55,519 --> 02:33:52,140
because there's been probably several

3365
02:33:58,010 --> 02:33:55,529
hundred but yeah so it's a good thing I

3366
02:34:00,139 --> 02:33:58,020
don't read all of them well I read the

3367
02:34:02,300 --> 02:34:00,149
ones I think that we're going to talk

3368
02:34:03,800 --> 02:34:02,310
about on the air I try to read all or

3369
02:34:06,019 --> 02:34:03,810
most of the books I don't succeed as

3370
02:34:09,019 --> 02:34:06,029
well but Chris is really good about that

3371
02:34:11,179 --> 02:34:09,029
chris is a federal investigator he's a

3372
02:34:12,949 --> 02:34:11,189
field investigator and every time

3373
02:34:15,529 --> 02:34:12,959
there's a book he reads it from cover to

3374
02:34:18,109 --> 02:34:15,539
cover and I think there would be no show

3375
02:34:20,630 --> 02:34:18,119
without Chris and his legwork he's just

3376
02:34:23,599 --> 02:34:20,640
you know a treasure that we have here in

3377
02:34:24,560 --> 02:34:23,609
the world there you go nice for you to

3378
02:34:26,450 --> 02:34:24,570
say that

3379
02:34:28,520 --> 02:34:26,460
and your treasurer too by the way and

3380
02:34:30,700 --> 02:34:28,530
you're the kind of treasure we do not

3381
02:34:33,890 --> 02:34:30,710
want to bury for many many years to come

3382
02:34:37,160 --> 02:34:33,900
tell our listeners are we reaching the

3383
02:34:38,930 --> 02:34:37,170
end of our rope here or we're at the end

3384
02:34:41,420 --> 02:34:38,940
of my rope for a long time Jim but what

3385
02:34:44,390 --> 02:34:41,430
could you tell our listeners how they

3386
02:34:47,090 --> 02:34:44,400
can get a copy of saucer smear this is

3387
02:34:50,960 --> 02:34:47,100
something they won't want to miss well

3388
02:34:55,310 --> 02:34:50,970
once again if they want to use the mail

3389
02:34:59,060 --> 02:34:55,320
system they would just send a letter to

3390
02:35:03,550 --> 02:34:59,070
my pl box and ask for a free sample copy

3391
02:35:10,490 --> 02:35:03,560
and it's saucer smear two words smear

3392
02:35:18,140 --> 02:35:10,500
SME a R and P o box 1 709 Key West

3393
02:35:23,090 --> 02:35:18,150
Florida 3 3 o 4 1 P o box 1 709 Key West

3394
02:35:25,480 --> 02:35:23,100
Florida 3 3 o 4 1 yeah of course you get

3395
02:35:28,070 --> 02:35:25,490
a free copy if you like it send Jim a

3396
02:35:29,630 --> 02:35:28,080
donation a love offering and he will

3397
02:35:33,560 --> 02:35:29,640
continue to send you time and

3398
02:35:36,250 --> 02:35:33,570
incidentally this is sort of relevant a

3399
02:35:39,140 --> 02:35:36,260
lot of saucer people I guess more of the

3400
02:35:41,720 --> 02:35:39,150
paranoid ones I don't like to give out

3401
02:35:44,090 --> 02:35:41,730
their phone number and so forth and they

3402
02:35:47,210 --> 02:35:44,100
worry about things I've got both of my

3403
02:35:50,720 --> 02:35:47,220
phone numbers on the letterhead of every

3404
02:35:53,511 --> 02:35:50,730
single issue of smear and I have never

3405
02:35:55,400 --> 02:35:53,521
had any trouble about it hardly anybody

3406
02:35:57,650 --> 02:35:55,410
ever calls me because they'll have to

3407
02:35:59,360 --> 02:35:57,660
pay for the call and I might as well

3408
02:36:01,100 --> 02:35:59,370
just take those numbers off the weather

3409
02:36:03,261 --> 02:36:01,110
and it's the most amazing thing of

3410
02:36:05,540 --> 02:36:03,271
everything Jim Mosely is the most

3411
02:36:07,280 --> 02:36:05,550
amazing thing we've ever seen he's the

3412
02:36:09,980 --> 02:36:07,290
editor publisher of saucer smear a

3413
02:36:12,770 --> 02:36:09,990
reminder folks that Chris O'Brien's site

3414
02:36:15,410 --> 02:36:12,780
is our strange planet come our strange

3415
02:36:17,600 --> 02:36:15,420
planet calm and eventually we hope it's

3416
02:36:21,380 --> 02:36:17,610
going to be redesigned you can find us

3417
02:36:23,990 --> 02:36:21,390
online Twitter the power cast the power

3418
02:36:25,970 --> 02:36:24,000
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3419
02:36:28,370 --> 02:36:25,980
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3420
02:36:30,530 --> 02:36:28,380
news at the power cast calm and the

3421
02:36:33,100 --> 02:36:30,540
place where you can ask questions is

3422
02:36:35,801 --> 02:36:33,110
over I forum dot

3423
02:36:38,591 --> 02:36:35,811
the para cast calm that's forum dot the

3424
02:36:42,511 --> 02:36:38,601
para cast calm Jim Mosely thanks for

3425
02:36:44,020 --> 02:36:42,521
joining us this week on the power cast

3426
02:36:54,300 --> 02:36:44,030
yes sir

3427
02:37:00,850 --> 02:36:57,820
the para cast featuring Jean Steinberg

3428
02:37:03,690 --> 02:37:00,860
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3429
02:37:07,450 --> 02:37:03,700
presentation of making the impossible